how come none of the pros ever try these super smart west virginia coyotes?

shawnNwv

shawnNwv

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ive been predator hunting since i could hit the woods solo with a rifle and a call. first call was a little quaker boy silver circle squirell distress mouth call. called every predator in tese mountains with that cheap call, still have it. ive noticed pro callers hitting every state pretty much, northern most states to the southern most states. even virginia. but never do i see yall in wv. ive talked to many callers from all over and they all say the same thing. these big wv dogs are smart, sneaky, and hard to fool. i wanna see more people posting videos, more pros out here making it look easy. anyone ever hunt in northeast wv or round the panhandle? believe me, we have dogs, we have massive dogs. so whats the deal? why no vids except chance encounters during deer or turkey hunts?
 
A lot of places terrain makes it hard to get footage... coyotes are coyotes, some are more educated than others but they are still just a coyote..
 
Actually I watched an episode of Foxpro Furtakers the other day that was filmed in West Virginia. They were whackin and stackin them coyotes. IIRC Steve and Mike were actually there for 3 days hunting at night. Can't remember what part of the State they were in but they were certainly stackn them up. It was on the outdoor channel. May be some YouTube vids. Check it out.
 
Originally Posted By: azmastablastaActually I watched an episode of Foxpro Furtakers the other day that was filmed in West Virginia. They were whackin and stackin them coyotes. IIRC Steve and Mike were actually there for 3 days hunting at night. Can't remember what part of the State they were in but they were certainly stackn them up. It was on the outdoor channel. May be some YouTube vids. Check it out. If I am not mistake they were in Virginia, not West Virginia two different states.
 
I am sure some of the Pros do hunt WV.

As far as video / TV shows the terrain out there probably doesn't justify having a large crew in tow.

Personally if I am not hunting the wide open prairies out here in the west I get claustrophobic!

I like seeing them coming from miles away.

As far as the Foxpro guys or any other guys for that matter I don't see calling in foxes at night very exciting.


I DVR Most predator hunting shows and watch then when time allows. If I see in the information that it is a night hunt, I delete it and move on..
 
Originally Posted By: shawnNwvive been predator hunting since i could hit the woods solo with a rifle and a call. first call was a little quaker boy silver circle squirell distress mouth call. called every predator in tese mountains with that cheap call, still have it. ive noticed pro callers hitting every state pretty much, northern most states to the southern most states. even virginia. but never do i see yall in wv. ive talked to many callers from all over and they all say the same thing. these big wv dogs are smart, sneaky, and hard to fool. i wanna see more people posting videos, more pros out here making it look easy. anyone ever hunt in northeast wv or round the panhandle? believe me, we have dogs, we have massive dogs. so whats the deal? why no vids except chance encounters during deer or turkey hunts?

Welcome to Predator Masters! I can't answer your question but I love seeing pictures of big coyotes. Post some pic's for us to enjoy!
 
You won't call many foxes in my part of W.Va. red or grey. As for video of hunts you would be lucky to get 10 seconds of coyote footage in most places, and if you filmed the 10 seconds you probably won't get the shot. Most places here are not very forgiving. These coyotes love the woods.
 
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Personally I don't believe in supersmart coyotes, less dense populations, terrain and pressure can make them more difficult to get in your sights. I have my doubts that they are any smarter than any other coyotes, educated, fewer in numbers and harder to see, yes, smarter, no.

Welcome aboard, good hunting
 
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watch the documentaries on youtube about these eastern yotes. they can be called in here in wv, but its very hard to get them to break cover. you will rarely call one into an open field here. they had the first contest in wv this year, over 500 contestants with only around 50 or 60 coyotes killed. with all the timber and laurel in this mountains, they see you way before you see them. all that talking and hand gestures they use out west doesnt fly here. you gotta be a rock till you squeeze that trigger. these dogs weigh upwards of 60 lbs, with some known to reach 70. theres more than one breed of coyote. now late summer early fall you can have a blast stackin up the yearling yotes, but once theyre all gone, its a challenge getting any mature yotes. southern wv theyre a little easier to call from my experience. but these old dogs up in the eastern panhandle wont even answer your locator or invitation howls. i think it would make for interesting footage and a good show huntin these slick bastards
 
thanks. dont have any on this phone as of yet. this has been the worst winter for yotes here that i can remember. i believe because the above average temps allow them to find more mice and squirrels wheneve4 they want. ive played [beeep] getting gray foxs to charge me this year. ive found hundreds of tracks and scat, jist havent piled up any fur. i have some pics of some good sized tracks and have an old trail cam of a beast alpha male that i hunted for years and still never killed. how do i upload pics? also have a self recorded real live canine pup distress i would love to share but idk how to upload it or if i even am able
 
Originally Posted By: shawnNwvwatch the documentaries on youtube about these eastern yotes. they can be called in here in wv, but its very hard to get them to break cover. you will rarely call one into an open field here. they had the first contest in wv this year, over 500 contestants with only around 50 or 60 coyotes killed. with all the timber and laurel in this mountains, they see you way before you see them. all that talking and hand gestures they use out west doesnt fly here. you gotta be a rock till you squeeze that trigger. these dogs weigh upwards of 60 lbs, with some known to reach 70. theres more than one breed of coyote. now late summer early fall you can have a blast stackin up the yearling yotes, but once theyre all gone, its a challenge getting any mature yotes. southern wv theyre a little easier to call from my experience. but these old dogs up in the eastern panhandle wont even answer your locator or invitation howls. i think it would make for interesting footage and a good show huntin these slick bastards

Find edges of the thick stuff to hunt, don't expect them to leave the cover. Make it to where they have to leave cover in order to get your wind. If "the cover is so thick that they see you way before you see them". Use the cover to your advantage, I always feel like they are seeing me when I cross open terrain. If they are seeing you before you start calling then even the dumbest ones are going to seem super smart. They stand just over knee high compared to person and you are going into their territory to kill them, more times than not they are always going to see you before you see them until stop walking, setup and are able to sit still and start calling. People always talk about YOYs being dumb but they are still coyotes and in ways less confident going into situations than adults, it takes them awhile to get the confidence to come into the call in the first place, otherwise you would be calling them in late June.

If you got 500 contestants going out on a contest and only killing 60 or 70 does not lead me to automatically assume those coyotes are smarter than the ones I am hunting here. Weather, coyote density, hunting pressure and the number of people out of that 500 who actually know what they are doing are factors I would consider first. You are correct their are subspecies of coyote but geography does not make one pack smarter than the other. The coyotes I kill in Oklahoma are not dumb but they are not any smarter than the ones in South Dakota, Texas or Arizona... now the coyotes in California are all liberal minded, so they are easier to call than coyotes anywhere else, just offer them government handouts, subsidized housing or medical entitlements for their pups and they will come out into the open, even if they can smell you...
 
I remember reading a couple of different articles some time back that have seemingly determined that some eastern coyotes have interbred with the red wolf. The red wolf is nothing like the wolves in Canada and the NW U.S. however one would assume that could have an effect on the mixed blood specie. IIRC the red wolf would average in the 60 to 70 lb range. G&F says we have some here in Az at the extreme eastern edge of the State and are presently protected. I can't recall exactly which States back east were involved in the DNA studies but they seemed convinced interbreeding was occurring. That would have no effect on their intelligence IMO. And I am beyond certain that coyote intellect is the same throughout the species. I enjoy going up north here when the temps start to rise and hunt them in our dense pine and hardwood forests. It is definitely more challenging in the forests, requiring different techniques and certainly more patience, but it is lots of fun and readily doable. I find that in the forest here I am much more successful using decoys, most particularly a fawn decoy. It gently rocks with the breeze. LOL, it is covered with coyote teeth marks. I've had newbies sit slack jawed when 2 or 3 coyotes scramble to get the first bite and never fire a shot. Here in the desert I wouldn't waste my time with decoys.
 
Same thing here in southeastern Pa...plenty of coyotes around..but they won't break the woods and hard to hunt in the woods with a rifle and just recently have,I setup a shotgun to go after and get in tight.
 
I moved right into the thick stuff, and this year killed 3 about 30 yards from where I sat for the last 3 or 4 years trying to call them into open woods. A couple Of times I've heard footsteps of critters in range but out of sight, then move back because
they wouldn't go into the open to try to scent me. On other stands I know I was circled and made.
This is in pretty built up areas, and I only hunt daylight. I'm going to scout out some stands this spring put up some brush blinds, also look to getting off the ground a little if I can.
 
Originally Posted By: DropadoglvOriginally Posted By: LONEHOWLThere are pros? That's exactly what I was thinking! What constitutes a "PRO" coyote hunter?


You obviously never met 5spd!!

Prairie dogs at 700+ yards, shoots Coyotes by the dozen day and night! Any Coyote over 400+ Yards at night is considered a chip shot! Coyotes running in by the bus load.

Should have his own show out around Thanksgiving!!

Should be a great VCR tape for sure.......


Maybe he will chime in shortly to let everybody know how to get'r done!!
 


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