Yup new guy here 1st post on the site. This morning had a double come in from my blind side and dang near took out my caller. Once they discovered that the dinner bell was an imposter they bolted i tried to get them to stop however, my attempts failed so i took a running shot. End result was a well place shot into the mountain and a very live coyote. My question is, how long should i stay out of there before trying again?
How long to let a stand rest
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btech29
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That depends on how much ground you have. I dont like to call a spot more than twice a year. Once in winter and once in the summer. I think that is a little overly cautious, but I have enough ground to do so. Ive heard guys brag about "killing what comes" and they keep going back and killing more. That may be true to an extent, but I know for a fact the same guy has torched his ground after a few years of that philosophy.
I guess the short answer is: Let it rest as long as possible.
I guess the short answer is: Let it rest as long as possible.
RandyDB
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My theory on how often I calll an area is based on growing up going with my dad hunting with greyhounds. If the area has the right cover and you kill the coyotes you calll go back within a week another coyote may have moved in.
I have called spots that didn't produce, go back in a couple days and connect. Coyotes travel you never know when one maybe in the area.
I have lots of area to hunt but I will still call some of my better spots 10-12 times in a 3-4 month period. Changing up where I call from and how I call and length of time on a stand.
I have a spot I call my honey hole it is a travel way from a large creek to a lake. It's a 2 mile section. A few years ago I took 13 coyotes out of this place in a 4 month period. This year I have Called it 4 times and have not seen a coyote, but I will still call it every week or so for the next couple month.
You never know when or where a coyote may be. I have called them out of waterways, overgrown fence lines, hedge rows, weed covered washout in the middle of wheat field no bigger than a pickup truck. If you don't educate them there is always another looking to move in, be there with a house warming gift of lead.
Here is an area I call that produces from 5-10 a year, this year 2 coyotes and a cat so far.
Both coyotes were called from the red circled area. That over grown water way has been good to me for the last five years. I will call from some where in this area every week and sometimes twice.
I have called spots that didn't produce, go back in a couple days and connect. Coyotes travel you never know when one maybe in the area.
I have lots of area to hunt but I will still call some of my better spots 10-12 times in a 3-4 month period. Changing up where I call from and how I call and length of time on a stand.
I have a spot I call my honey hole it is a travel way from a large creek to a lake. It's a 2 mile section. A few years ago I took 13 coyotes out of this place in a 4 month period. This year I have Called it 4 times and have not seen a coyote, but I will still call it every week or so for the next couple month.
You never know when or where a coyote may be. I have called them out of waterways, overgrown fence lines, hedge rows, weed covered washout in the middle of wheat field no bigger than a pickup truck. If you don't educate them there is always another looking to move in, be there with a house warming gift of lead.
Here is an area I call that produces from 5-10 a year, this year 2 coyotes and a cat so far.
Both coyotes were called from the red circled area. That over grown water way has been good to me for the last five years. I will call from some where in this area every week and sometimes twice.
btech29
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I like to keep my dry stands to a minimum. Im sure I could beat my ground up and kill one every 10th time I call it. Why though? Fresh is where its at. Why gamble when you dont have to?
I have spots I kill a coyote every single time I call them. I have stands that I have never blanked. I guess everyone has different expectations.
Edit to add: I dont care who you are, or how good you think you are. No one kills everything that comes.
I have spots I kill a coyote every single time I call them. I have stands that I have never blanked. I guess everyone has different expectations.
Edit to add: I dont care who you are, or how good you think you are. No one kills everything that comes.
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RandyDB
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I've been calling these same area for over 40 years and have never see much difference from year to year no matter how hard I hunt. Did have mange bad for 4 or 5 years and that took a toll. I really don't think you can burn a place out. I use to buy fur in the 80s And they estimated that there were between 75,000-95,000 coyote taken on a yearly average in the state of Kansas. I believe the KDWPT still estimates about the same yearly take.
My brother still uses greyhounds and last Febuary caught 90+ coyotes. Last Saturday he caught 12 before 1:00. He hunts the same areas over and over all winter long. When you take them out more will move in.
There was a study done in 2016 and they estimated that in Kansas the coyote population was 2 coyotes per square mile. That's a lot of coyotes. That why I say and have seen it for many years, kill one and another will move in.
No one that I know of calls much here when the weather get warm. So we have most of our pup population when the weather gets cold.
My brother still uses greyhounds and last Febuary caught 90+ coyotes. Last Saturday he caught 12 before 1:00. He hunts the same areas over and over all winter long. When you take them out more will move in.
There was a study done in 2016 and they estimated that in Kansas the coyote population was 2 coyotes per square mile. That's a lot of coyotes. That why I say and have seen it for many years, kill one and another will move in.
No one that I know of calls much here when the weather get warm. So we have most of our pup population when the weather gets cold.
Depends on if you kill them or not. If I miss I'll wait a good while before I try it again and it won't be from the same spot and it'll be somewhere I can see downwind because that's probably right where that coyote is heading the next time. They catch on pretty quick after they've been shot at or learned that the sound of a rabbit means potential danger.
I wait at least a month if I can. I've heard guys say...I'll come back and kill that coyote next week,after missing a coyote and watching it run away. I can't help but smile and think...."No,you're sure not." I've seen coyotes jump out of grass they were bedded down in and run like they had been shot at after they heard a call turn on. You can over call an area quicker than you think if you're not killing what you're calling in.
I wait at least a month if I can. I've heard guys say...I'll come back and kill that coyote next week,after missing a coyote and watching it run away. I can't help but smile and think...."No,you're sure not." I've seen coyotes jump out of grass they were bedded down in and run like they had been shot at after they heard a call turn on. You can over call an area quicker than you think if you're not killing what you're calling in.
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Fursniper
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About 40,000 to 50,000 coyotes are killed every year by sport hunting in AZ and that's based on a 10 year average. I think it is impossible for hunters to put a dent in the coyote population in AZ. Coyotes move around every night so each day starts with a new shuffle. A coyote that could not hear the call yesterday might become available the following day at the same stand. Changing the sounds helps to change the game for coyotes that are educated. I believe our biggest obstacle for successful calling is our imagination so don't let your imagination interfere with predator hunting. Just get out there and do it and see what happens.
RandyDB
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When I do miss a coyote that I have called in I usually will wait a week before going back to that area, but not always, will use only coyote vocals with hand calls and ending with hurt pup or canine distress on the Ecaller. Time on stand will be 45 mins to an hour.
A few years ago when the 204 craze hit I bought one and it was super accurate but I had a lot of bullet splash and lost a few coyotes I shot.
I called two of the coyotes back within a week of when I shot them using howls and hurt pup on my hand calls. Both had terrible wounds in their front shoulder from the 39 gr. Blitz King.
Like Fursniper said don't let your imagination stop you. Thinking in the box will keep you in the box, expand your calling try different setup and sounds. Walk an extra 1/4 mile into an area all these things will make a difference. We are creatures of habit, make changes you will be surprised.
A few years ago when the 204 craze hit I bought one and it was super accurate but I had a lot of bullet splash and lost a few coyotes I shot.
I called two of the coyotes back within a week of when I shot them using howls and hurt pup on my hand calls. Both had terrible wounds in their front shoulder from the 39 gr. Blitz King.
Like Fursniper said don't let your imagination stop you. Thinking in the box will keep you in the box, expand your calling try different setup and sounds. Walk an extra 1/4 mile into an area all these things will make a difference. We are creatures of habit, make changes you will be surprised.
btech29
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Coyotes fill in, that is not rocket science. Of course they do! There is a reason a coyote is there. Food, water, cover etc. If one leaves another is gonna take its place. That goes without saying.
My fur buyer in Kansas trapped 189 coyotes off a 80 acre piece in one year. Yes, yes they fill in.
Back before I had plenty of land I would call the same property multiple times a year, and yes, I could go back and kill more than one coyote on a spot. I still could now. I understand not having enough ground to rotate like I wanted to. Im sure wide open crop ground where cover is very limited would fill in quicker than timber choked draw systems I hunt. I like to work smart, not hard. I want to kill coyotes, not experiment. I would rather make a 12 minute stand, kill one, and move one. If they dont want to come I am not wasting a bunch of time begging them. I will find some fresh ears.
My fur buyer in Kansas trapped 189 coyotes off a 80 acre piece in one year. Yes, yes they fill in.
Back before I had plenty of land I would call the same property multiple times a year, and yes, I could go back and kill more than one coyote on a spot. I still could now. I understand not having enough ground to rotate like I wanted to. Im sure wide open crop ground where cover is very limited would fill in quicker than timber choked draw systems I hunt. I like to work smart, not hard. I want to kill coyotes, not experiment. I would rather make a 12 minute stand, kill one, and move one. If they dont want to come I am not wasting a bunch of time begging them. I will find some fresh ears.
RandyDB
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btech29
I'm just stating what works for me. I started out when I was 5 riding in the truck with dad hunting coyotes with greyhounds now I'm 63 have tried almost everything you can think of to kill coyotes in that time. Been calling since I was 21 have seen things happen on stands that are hard to understand. There is no given when it comes to calling, what works for one may sound ridiculous to another.
In October-November 15-20 minutes stand are my norm, as the season progresses I have found that longer is better, for me.
I'm a patient person I can enjoy the solitude of a stand as much as calling and killing a coyote.
I have lived in this area all my life, I have never added up the acreage that I have permission to hunt on but it is well over 20,000 acres. Farmers that I have known all my life and help thru out the year, and two outfitters for deer hunting have given me exclusive on coyote hunting on their properties.
Would be out this morning as it is a perfect day here, but the grandkids gave me a Christmas present I could of lived without.
The flu.
I enjoy my time out as I am sure you do to. There is no right or wrong if you have success.
I'm just stating what works for me. I started out when I was 5 riding in the truck with dad hunting coyotes with greyhounds now I'm 63 have tried almost everything you can think of to kill coyotes in that time. Been calling since I was 21 have seen things happen on stands that are hard to understand. There is no given when it comes to calling, what works for one may sound ridiculous to another.
In October-November 15-20 minutes stand are my norm, as the season progresses I have found that longer is better, for me.
I'm a patient person I can enjoy the solitude of a stand as much as calling and killing a coyote.
I have lived in this area all my life, I have never added up the acreage that I have permission to hunt on but it is well over 20,000 acres. Farmers that I have known all my life and help thru out the year, and two outfitters for deer hunting have given me exclusive on coyote hunting on their properties.
Would be out this morning as it is a perfect day here, but the grandkids gave me a Christmas present I could of lived without.
The flu.
I enjoy my time out as I am sure you do to. There is no right or wrong if you have success.
btech29
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Its no sweat Randy. Just giving my take, just like you are giving yours. I have several landowners that have over 20,000 a piece. That would just be about 2 days of hunting, maybe. See, big difference in what we have to work with. If I only had 20,000 acres I would have to call stands over and over too.
Happy hunting.
Happy hunting.
Originally Posted By: RandyDBThere is no given when it comes to calling, what works for one may sound ridiculous to another.
Originally Posted By: btech29 If I only had 20,000 acres I would have to call stands over and over too.
Happy hunting.
^^^^^^^Yep.
I have hunted the same three ranches for over 15 years (2 are approx 5500 acres, the other 11,000 of brush, roller chopped for cattle and hunting). One of the 5000 acre ranches is not as handy to get to so just migrate to the other two for the most part (a mistake, I'm sure, as I have not educated the coyotes or deer hunters on this ranch
).
Any rate, early years were more productive partly due to population, plus none of the deer hunters payed much attention to the coyotes before I started concentrating on them. When the deer hunters started trying their hand at calling, as one would guess, they shot a few and many more coyotes became educated; hunting became harder and changes had to be made.
I am still hunting lots of successful stands that I first hunted 15 years ago when I can and still getting coyotes & bobcats on them.
All we do when we shoot a coyote is to create a vacuum which is quickly filled by neighboring coyotes.
Regards,
hm
Originally Posted By: btech29 If I only had 20,000 acres I would have to call stands over and over too.
Happy hunting.
^^^^^^^Yep.
I have hunted the same three ranches for over 15 years (2 are approx 5500 acres, the other 11,000 of brush, roller chopped for cattle and hunting). One of the 5000 acre ranches is not as handy to get to so just migrate to the other two for the most part (a mistake, I'm sure, as I have not educated the coyotes or deer hunters on this ranch
Any rate, early years were more productive partly due to population, plus none of the deer hunters payed much attention to the coyotes before I started concentrating on them. When the deer hunters started trying their hand at calling, as one would guess, they shot a few and many more coyotes became educated; hunting became harder and changes had to be made.
I am still hunting lots of successful stands that I first hunted 15 years ago when I can and still getting coyotes & bobcats on them.
All we do when we shoot a coyote is to create a vacuum which is quickly filled by neighboring coyotes.
Regards,
hm
Runnin'Hard
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I hunt the same spots from Oct-March every year, leave them alone the rest of the time. These places do not get much pressure during the year. I will hunt the same spots, many times sitting in same sage, sometimes a couple times a week. I always hunt what the wind gives me, and many of my spots I would get busted trying to get into the area a different way, so I just go with what works. I always change up my calling if I am hunting the same area a couple days later. I believe that once a coyote is killed, that another will fill the void in the area quickly. I still find myself trying to over think things during times of doubt, but usually fall back to the basics that for me are "food, water, cover, wind". I am lucky in that I know that these areas hold coyotes, so it usually falls on me to figure it out.
RandyDB
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I don’t know but I’m sure your acreage is probably mostly ranchland, pastures and trees. Mine is almost all Farm ground. With hundred acre patchs being the norm. Some larger some smaller but on average probably 100 acres. That’s around 150+ spots I have to call. I don’t count tillable acreage as hunting ground.
I don’t have to call spots as often as I do, I do so because they are more productive.
I don’t have to call spots as often as I do, I do so because they are more productive.
tripod3
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No doubt there is a regional and personal difference.
For me I have plenty of ground, still I continue to return or never leave a spot til the numbers drop. This has netted me good numbers, 8, 10, 12, even 17 from the exact same spot.
Adding one more element, much of this is right from the drivers seat.
So we each learn to play by our own rules.
Just talked with one of the ranchers who got 12 off one spot.
Of course I'm jealous but have been sick and can't get them all.
For me I have plenty of ground, still I continue to return or never leave a spot til the numbers drop. This has netted me good numbers, 8, 10, 12, even 17 from the exact same spot.
Adding one more element, much of this is right from the drivers seat.
So we each learn to play by our own rules.
Just talked with one of the ranchers who got 12 off one spot.
Of course I'm jealous but have been sick and can't get them all.
