hunting "elk" with a 280...

Dave Allen

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hello..as titled anybody elk hunting with a 280 ?? i'm interested as i'm not a fan of hard recoil rifle's "wimpy" i guess..i'm getting to a point where i like to shoot my rifle's & get to know them...i'm thinking a solid 150 grain or so bullet will probably get the job done...aye...the bottom line is i hope a 280 will get the job done & not beat me up to bad in load development...
 
I actually like something bigger for elk, but I have a 280 for exactly the same reasons that your talking about. With a good bullet in the weight range you mentioned I wouldn't hesitate with a decent shot.

My hunting partner for the last 20 years has a 7mm Rem mag and has taken a pile of elk with it. The 280 doesn't lag far behind.

I live in Northern Idaho and where we hunt up around Dwarshak lake and the North fork river breaks a shot that doesn't anchor can lead to a nightmare pack out job. My go to the woods elk rifle has been a Rem 8mm mag pushing 220 grain spitzers at 3080 fps since 1978. This does a dandy anchor job, but like you I guess I'm also getting "wimpy" as I get older.

My 280 Remington Mountain rifle is light and recoil actually feels less than my little model 7 Rem carbine in 308 Win and they weigh about the same.

I'd say go for it and just do the "good shot placement, decent ranges" thing.
 
The .280 will get the job done and the more familiar you are with the gun and it's limits the better for you. We however abandoned the .280 quickly for several reasons. First off it is not the death ray it was represented to be by a local gunsmith. We do not reload and it was impossible to find more than one factory load on the shelf locally. After my wife tested it on an elk several times I was not impressed watching. The bullet penetration was poor and the elk traveled much farther than it should have. The next year she had a .30-06 and dropped a larger elk in the same spot with ease and great penetration. Also with an overwhelming selection of ammo anywhere. I tried to go the less recoil route for her, but in actuality she took over my new .30-06 saying it had less recoil even when shooting a larger bullet. I have several other reasons for appreciating 30 calibers for big game. The first is to drop it now because you need running shoes to tag it first. Second is to stop it unless it is running toward your truck, then let it get closer. Third I don't like tracking, although I have tracked many many animals for other hunters. IT is much better to get right to the animal and get to work cooling the meat. Good Luck
 
2 good elk bullets for the .280 are the Nosler Partition (of course), and the Swift A-Frame. Something heavy for caliber pushed at ~2700 fps does well.

Mike
 
My best friends, brother shot a pair of elk at 80 yards. He was up in a tree when a herd walked by through a meadow. He fired at a 5x5 spike with a 280, Or 7mm express which is what his gun says. (marketing!) Dropped the elk instantly, the one on its other side ran 30 yards and fell over dead aswell. He had taken two elk with one round. I'd say a 280 is plenty of gun out to about 400 (revised after running a ballistics calc. sorry tripod) yard shot. "In the right shooters hands".
 
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MPFD, I rarely disagree strongly and like to allow everyones opinion just as I have one. However I have never seen a 5x5 spike. Also shooting two elk with one shot is not what I consider "in the right shooters hands" and would get a hefty fine with gun loss and no hunting for several years here. Then recommending the .280 as a 500 yard elk gun to me is poor advice considering it loses enough energy by 300 yards to barely qualify for the standard 1400 ft pounds recommended for elk. Let alone the drop & windage. If I were to recommend a 500 yard gun for elk it would be a .300 Win Mag or larger, which is what I shoot. I have friends that use much more up to .338-.378 for those longer shots. Even though I have complete confidence in my rifle a 500 yard shot is a long ways for most hunters.
 
The guide they go with was shooting a .243, He calls anybody with a magnum rifle a rearend shooter. I guess it's all what your comfortable with. I shoot a 300 win mag myself, but I'm not gonna tell someone what they can and can't do. I didn't say it wasn't lucky but, I would have taken the shot too (not thinking it would pass through and kill another animal). But I think the fact that it did pass through is enough proof of it's capability. I think people put too much stock into having the biggest gun when the priority should be placed on shot placment. If I was more comfortable shooting a 270 then my 300 win, I would take the 270 on the Elk hunt cause I know I can shoot it.
 
Stuff the .280 with a good elk bullet like a Nosler Partition or Barnes TSX and no elk on the planet will go far when hit properly.
 
considering i use a 260 rem for elk i dont see the problem with the 280.
just keep reasonable distances and you should have no trouble.
points are well made here.if you want to just knock em over then you better have a rifle with some thump.especially at long distances.
but if you hunt in close quarters then no prob.just put it where it belongs.
 
I have not shot a 280 at elk, but cannot believe with a well constructed bullet, i.e. Barnes, Partition, ect. that it won't work just fine.

I am seriously considering using my Model 7SS in 260 for elk this fall, and it will be throwing a Barnes or Partition.

A miss with a "magnum" is still a miss.
Proper shot placement is the key to any clean kill.

A well placed "premium" bullet will do the job, but I would limit my shots to 300 yards or so.

Where we hunted last fall in southern CO, I would have been as well off toting a 12 guage with slugs in some areas and a 300 Ultra in others. I was packing a 700 Sendero SF in 300 WinMag, and never felt undergunned, sometimes a little unhandy and heavy, but that goes without saying when you are not used to 10-12K feet elevation.

Clayman
 
162 g. Hornady SST

.284 dia BC .550 2800 fps

Range Path Velocity Energy opt game wt.
400 -17.4 2180fps 1766 ftlbs. 408lbs.
500 -36.6 2038fps 1494 ftlbs. 333lbs.

I'd say it will reach out there and touch an elk.

http://biggameinfo.com/index.aspx?page=%2fbalcalc.ascx
 
I always get a kick out of reading how a certain caliber needs "XXXX" amount of energy at a certain yardage to effectively kill an elk, deer, coyote, groud squirrel, etc...

Whats going to happen if the bullet drops below the 1400 ftlbs line? Is the bullet going to be deflected off the hide??? LOL Seems to me that an arrow launched from a bow has very little energy and still can manage to make it thru the lungs of an elk. I'm not advocating the .222 or other small stuff for elk, I'm just saying use a "reasonable" caliber with a good bullet, hit the critter where it lives and its game over.

Usually when people start quoting BC, sectional density, and much of the other worthless ballistic garbage for general hunting purposes, they really have very little idea that all it takes to kill an elk is the shooter putting a well constructed bullet in a relatively large area (heart/lung area of an elk).
 
The guide I used said magnums just tear up more meat. He has been a guide for over 20 years and carries a 30-30 but takes shots at close range. The bull I shot fell with out a step to a 270 150 grain at 40 yards. It passed all the way to the hide on the other side. If you want a little more uummfff just use the heavier and tougher constructed 160 grain bullets.
 
my answer to all that fps/ft lbs of energy is just like the old timers.
if its got a hole in it it WILL die.and a low recoiling rifle is what allows me to put that bullet right in the wheelhouse.it will at 1 point go down.bottom line.
but im also not talking about a 22lr.
 
Stick a Barnes Triple Shock (TSX)in the chamber and go kill an elk.

I use a 130gr TSX in my 270win and have only recovered one bullet from an elk, all others have been complete pass throughs. The farthest distance an elk made it, was about 20 yards downhill. Most drop at the shot. Farthest shot was 417yds and he only took 2-3 steps. This shot went in the right side and out the left, back into the upper left leg where it busted, almost powdered, a 3" section of the upper leg bone, then went out and into the hillside.

Truthfully, I used to feel a bit undergunned with my 270 on elk, until I started using the Barnes. Excellent bullet.
 
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I always get a kick out of reading how a certain caliber needs "XXXX" amount of energy at a certain yardage to effectively kill an elk, deer, coyote, groud squirrel, etc...

Whats going to happen if the bullet drops below the 1400 ftlbs line? Is the bullet going to be deflected off the hide??? LOL Seems to me that an arrow launched from a bow has very little energy and still can manage to make it thru the lungs of an elk. I'm not advocating the .222 or other small stuff for elk, I'm just saying use a "reasonable" caliber with a good bullet, hit the critter where it lives and its game over.

Usually when people start quoting BC, sectional density, and much of the other worthless ballistic garbage for general hunting purposes, they really have very little idea that all it takes to kill an elk is the shooter putting a well constructed bullet in a relatively large area (heart/lung area of an elk).



sure glad you said it because I was sure thinkin it........
 
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I always get a kick out of reading how a certain caliber needs "XXXX" amount of energy at a certain yardage to effectively kill an elk, deer, coyote, groud squirrel, etc...

Whats going to happen if the bullet drops below the 1400 ftlbs line? Is the bullet going to be deflected off the hide??? LOL Seems to me that an arrow launched from a bow has very little energy and still can manage to make it thru the lungs of an elk. I'm not advocating the .222 or other small stuff for elk, I'm just saying use a "reasonable" caliber with a good bullet, hit the critter where it lives and its game over.

Usually when people start quoting BC, sectional density, and much of the other worthless ballistic garbage for general hunting purposes, they really have very little idea that all it takes to kill an elk is the shooter putting a well constructed bullet in a relatively large area (heart/lung area of an elk).



You keep making sense like that and your going turn off all the arm chair ballistics experts. I've always liked to quote the definition of expert here. According to the dictionary EX means has been and SPERT means a drip under pressure.

Got a friend up here in Orofino Idaho whose wife killed her elk for years with a 243. She usually shot a cow and mostly under a hundred yards. Her shot was a neck shot and most of her kills never went further than a few yards. I never had the heart to tell her that her gun was to small for elk.

I've hunted elk for 45 years or so and first used a 308 Norma mag and then in 1979 began using an 8mm Rem mag. My hunting partner has had excellent succes with the 7mm Rem mag and 175 grain bullets. I've got friends whom use everything else, from 25-06's thru 338 Win mags and most of them harvest if they get a good shot.

The main argument for the bigger guns is they allow you to take either longer shots or worse presentation shots. A few years ago I had a chance at a dandy 6 point bull. My only shot was it running away at about 90 yards.

The 220 grain 32 caliber bullet at just over 3000 fps went in to the base of the spine and traveled up thru the top of the lungs and out the front of the chest. That was the only shot I had on an elk that season and I wouldn't have taken it with my 280.

I like the magnums, but as we get older a heavier gun can be a pain to carry. Being handicapped doesn't help and the lighter gun helps there also. I won't shoot as far with the 280 nor will I take shots where I'm not sure the bullet has enough penetration to do the job, but like was said above most hunters can do a good job with most centerfire rifle calibers with good shot placement and with keeping ranges reasonable.
 
I was merely trying disprove the point made earlier about a 280 expending all it's energy in 300 yards.
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the .280 as a 500 yard elk gun to me is poor advice considering it loses enough energy by 300 yards to barely qualify for the standard 1400 ft pounds recommended for elk.

I just like supporting evidence. Sorry If I hurt you guys feelings. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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