I want A FAST 22

The biggest I would consider going would be a 22-284 with a 1-8 twist throated for 80 grain bullets in either a SS or a long action
A 22-6mm Rem Improved would be quite a speedy too.
Someone may have mentioned a 220 Swift Improved.

Besides what the other guys have mentioned
 
I tend to avoid anything that requires shooting once just so you can shoot again..... Like an ai.... In cartridges that already have a less than optimal barrel life.

I like the 220 swift a lot. My partner has shot one for many seasons and I haven't seen him lose a coyote, which is saying a lot as he's a lousy shot and often hits them poorly.

Some will say you can fire form while hunting and that is very true for simple shoulder changes and whatnot. On the other hand, a massive case transformation, like 22-250 to 22-250 ai, could lead to problems in the field.
When I had one long ago better than 90% formed without a hitch but the other 10 or so were a booger.
 
I have a shooting buddy that shoots a 22-6mm improved 8 twist. It will shoot 80 gr bergers 3500+ and is quite good in the wind.
He is on his second or third barrel.
He is having a 7 twist built for 90 gr bergers. The rifle is very accurate and holds up a 800+ yards better than I thought it would.
If you build one get a long heavy barrel if you want performance and shoot a slow powder.They are much fun to shoot but barrel life makes them expensive to shoot.
 
I'm having a blast with something I never thought I would buy. An Axis in 243. Web site says 2 moa is acceptable but I'm getting sub moa at 400 yds with Winchester varmint X 58 gr. at 3850 fps. Going to go to 500 yds in the morning. It would be fun to try one necked down to 22. I have a bunch of 20 year old 55 gr. ballistic tips at 4200 fps. that should break in the barrel good.
 
A good pal had a 22-284 built 10 or 15 years ago. He called Hart barrels and asked their opinion on the most accurate wildcat, and that is what they suggested. I'm not sure how many rounds he has through it, but it is stupid accurate and wicked. Serious pdog red-mist. I told him they suggested that one because you'd be back for another barrel sooner...
 
A fast twist 22-284 running 80 or 90 grain Bullets will have a longer throat life than one might imagine IF you are not doing a lot of sustained shooting.
I have a 8T 22 Creed XP that is close to being done. I will be running 80 grain bullets with it.
 
" Some will say you can fire form while hunting and that is very true for simple shoulder changes and whatnot. On the other hand, a massive case transformation, like 22-250 to 22-250 ai, could lead to problems in the field. When I had one long ago better than 90% formed without a hitch but the other 10 or so were a booger."

Nonsense..... I have fireformed 200 rounds just killing stuff. Zero of them were lost. And fireforming is not a big deal at all. I loaded the standard .22-250 Rem. About 1 grain over max and accuracy is Dang near as good as it is with the Ackley case. Killed alot of Coyotes just fireforming. And now I will not have to worry about it again. It will do anything the swift will and then some.

Good Hunting Chad
 
I fire formed all of my 260 AI brass no problems....heck 90% of it was formed at matches. Love when people say you are shooting to shoot, before you can shoot...or whatever nonsense they say. Mine shot as good as my FF loads did. Put in virgin 260 Lapua brass, pull trigger, hit plate, open bolt and pull out 260 AI brass.
 
Originally Posted By: CZ527I tend to avoid anything that requires shooting once just so you can shoot again..... Like an ai.... In cartridges that already have a less than optimal barrel life.

I like the 220 swift a lot. My partner has shot one for many seasons and I haven't seen him lose a coyote, which is saying a lot as he's a lousy shot and often hits them poorly.

Some will say you can fire form while hunting and that is very true for simple shoulder changes and whatnot. On the other hand, a massive case transformation, like 22-250 to 22-250 ai, could lead to problems in the field.
When I had one long ago better than 90% formed without a hitch but the other 10 or so were a booger.

I have fire formed MANY thousands of 22/250 AI, 6/250 AI, 6 Rem AI, 17 Ackley Hornet, and NEVER had any problems. I lost MAYBE half a dozen cases fire forming 17 AH out of a 1000, never lost any of the other calibers during a fire forming process. Fire forming used brass can be problematic. Fire forming Federal brass in any of the above is just not a good idea because the brass is on the softer side.

Gunsmiths that do not set up an AI chamber with a crush fit, can cause major issues. Also, a lot# of undersize brass used when a chamber is set up with a std go gauge can cause case splitting. Normal headspace is a normal parent case go gauge minus .004, but brass can run much smaller than that in some "culls". Lapua brass is setting a new standard, with Norma in hot pursuit.
 
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Mr Ackley you are incorrect, YOU can loose brass in the bigger calibers......IFFFF you let your wife shoot the rifle! HAHA. Spent an hour digging through the grass under the tail gate of my truck looking for piece of lapua brass one day.
 
My vote is 22 creedmoor. Waiting on my barrel to show o from rock creek, and then ship it all off to Mr Beanland. I am expecting 3500 fps with 80.5gn Bergers or 80gn Amax.
 
I don't recall saying you'd lose cases. I just said it could cause problems in the field.

As ackleyman said, a proper ai chamber should be shorter than the parent. I didn't know how much shorter until he posted that.

I have often experienced the need for a little extra effort both opening and closing the bolt. It's just not something I care to deal with in the field- where a gun should get dirty if you're hunting hard enough.
 
Why do I need to form more than that? I fireformed the 200 rounds of brass no problems with any of them. Now they are all Ackley cases that will last me the life of this barrel. wheres the problem....Wasn't that your whole point about not wanting to fireform? To much effort for what it's worth.lol Well I'm done with fireforming now atleast on this Ackley. No big deal at all.

Actually did the same thing with my .223AI too. couple hundred rounds of fireforming= Several thousand rounds of Ackley rounds fired. And same thing with my .17 Ackley hornet...... Really no down side to Ackleys

Good Hunting Chad
 
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Don't get discouraged, Tim! Keep working on it. But if you are too disgusted with it, which I can understand, I will be interested in taking that POS off your hands. Problem solved!

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Originally Posted By: CZ527Wow a whole 200?? Gee whiz!!

Well, 200 straight with zero problems sure beats the heck out of your 10% "booger" rate.
I did a whopping 400 straight AI cases in 2 different rifles with a zero percent booger rate.
Ackleyman did "thousands" with the tiny number of problems he mentioned on the one cartridge.

Funny thing is, you think you only "boogered" 10%, when you "boogered" 100% because you had no idea of the .004 crush fit needed to properly form the brass.

I watched Smokin 250 shoot some great scores at 1000 yards forming brass in his .260 AI barrel.
Nothing wasted there.

So until somebody else shows up with a failure rate worse than your 100%, you will hold the PM record for the AI booger rate.
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Originally Posted By: CZ527
I have often experienced the need for a little extra effort both opening and closing the bolt.

And I forgot to mention maybe you started out with boogered brass and then didn't know how to properly set up a sizing die.
That's just a guess based on the information you provided.
 
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