If all of these immagrants that where protesting and carrying Mexican Flags are here illegally,breaking the present laws, way were they not arrested? We have spent millions on SWAT teams,riot controll,and law enforcement training,If they are breaking the law it is simple arrest them, that is why we have laws,law enforcement,judges,and jails. Aren't you to have a premit to protest? Was any issued? If 8 to 12 million admitted poachers,wolf killers,trespassers, took to the streets demanding it is thier right to do so,wouldn't they be arrested? If the law is all ready on the books that it is illegal for them to be here then if enforce it? Who is responsible for arresting these law breakers? Is it just the INS,or does city,and state law in forcement have the responiblity to arrest illegal immagrants? Why is it so diffacult to just enforce the laws? There are millions being spent to do so. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Mauser
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greg223
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You have to stop thinking logically, because if you keep thinking this way, the rest of sound asleep America won't understand you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Remember, nothing in politics happens by accident. They are planned and designed for a specific reason. In this case, the dismantling of America to make way for a communist world government /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif. Thats where we are headed, unfortunately.
denjahn
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If all of these immagrants that where protesting and carrying Mexican Flags are here illegally,breaking the present laws, way were they not arrested? We have spent millions on SWAT teams,riot controll,and law enforcement training,If they are breaking the law it is simple arrest them, that is why we have laws,law enforcement,judges,and jails. Aren't you to have a premit to protest? Was any issued? If 8 to 12 million admitted poachers,wolf killers,trespassers, took to the streets demanding it is thier right to do so,wouldn't they be arrested? If the law is all ready on the books that it is illegal for them to be here then if enforce it? Who is responsible for arresting these law breakers? Is it just the INS,or does city,and state law in forcement have the responiblity to arrest illegal immagrants? Why is it so diffacult to just enforce the laws? There are millions being spent to do so. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Mauser
Since it is Sunday,all I can say is AMEN
If all of these immagrants that where protesting and carrying Mexican Flags are here illegally,breaking the present laws, way were they not arrested? We have spent millions on SWAT teams,riot controll,and law enforcement training,If they are breaking the law it is simple arrest them, that is why we have laws,law enforcement,judges,and jails. Aren't you to have a premit to protest? Was any issued? If 8 to 12 million admitted poachers,wolf killers,trespassers, took to the streets demanding it is thier right to do so,wouldn't they be arrested? If the law is all ready on the books that it is illegal for them to be here then if enforce it? Who is responsible for arresting these law breakers? Is it just the INS,or does city,and state law in forcement have the responiblity to arrest illegal immagrants? Why is it so diffacult to just enforce the laws? There are millions being spent to do so. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Mauser
Since it is Sunday,all I can say is AMEN
Mike Eversole
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Why don't they arrest? Strength in numbers.security in numbers.
Would 8-12 million hunters demanding their rights get their way? Likely so.
People are profitting from the hispanics and 8-12 million peolpe could cost lots of lives and insurance companies money.
AND >>congressmen/senators and people like this live in large gated communities so are all but unaffected by them.
AND >>employ many of them. Their here to stay unless the people take charge of moving them out.And you know thats going to happen the women don't care and they [women] can't give the hubby any time off from making them a paycheck.ME
Would 8-12 million hunters demanding their rights get their way? Likely so.
People are profitting from the hispanics and 8-12 million peolpe could cost lots of lives and insurance companies money.
AND >>congressmen/senators and people like this live in large gated communities so are all but unaffected by them.
AND >>employ many of them. Their here to stay unless the people take charge of moving them out.And you know thats going to happen the women don't care and they [women] can't give the hubby any time off from making them a paycheck.ME
PineCone
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Here in NH a local police cheif cited some illegal aliens (Mexican,I think) for trespass because he knew they were illegal. If I remember correctly the case was thrown out because the judge said he didn't have jusidiction. So I guess he can give them speeding tickets but not show them the door. It's CRAZY! pc
Longcruise
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Here's a couple questions, your own answers to these questions will possibly answer your original question:
1. How do you tell an illegal from a legal?
2. How does one single city/police force go about arresting 10,000 to 50,000 people at once?
3. How do you know who to arrest (see #1 above)?
4. If you had the resources to arrest that many people, where would you put them?
5. If 100 of thousands of people were arrested simultaneously nationwide how do you go about transporting that many people back to their native countries all in one fell swoop?
6. While you are trying to figure out how to do #5, where do you store these people (see #4)?
7. How do local governments and police forces fund the process?
Someone once said that the quality of the answers you recieve are based on the quality of the questions you ask.
Not saying that the questions I asked above are so great, but I am suggesting that your rhetorical question with it's preconceived indignant answers serve only to indulge that very indignation that you feel.
Sorry, I know I'm rude and blunt, but that's my take on it.
1. How do you tell an illegal from a legal?
2. How does one single city/police force go about arresting 10,000 to 50,000 people at once?
3. How do you know who to arrest (see #1 above)?
4. If you had the resources to arrest that many people, where would you put them?
5. If 100 of thousands of people were arrested simultaneously nationwide how do you go about transporting that many people back to their native countries all in one fell swoop?
6. While you are trying to figure out how to do #5, where do you store these people (see #4)?
7. How do local governments and police forces fund the process?
Someone once said that the quality of the answers you recieve are based on the quality of the questions you ask.
Not saying that the questions I asked above are so great, but I am suggesting that your rhetorical question with it's preconceived indignant answers serve only to indulge that very indignation that you feel.
Sorry, I know I'm rude and blunt, but that's my take on it.
NM Leon
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The system is broken. In most areas if the local constabulary arrests illegals, they have to hold them in their own lockup at county/city/state expense.
When/if they turn them over to the feds, they are released on their own recognizance until a deportation hearing maybe months later (which they always show up for, LOL), because the feds don't have the detention facilities to be able to hold them.
As with most things, our elected representatives have ignored the problem until it has reached crises proportions and will be extremely difficult and expensive (our dollars) to fix.
They can look like heroes to their constituencies by stepping up to address a crises.
Preventing one in the first place is boring public relations, and doesn't get them on TV.
They get to use our tax dollars to "solve" the crises and gain publicity for their own reelection.
When/if they turn them over to the feds, they are released on their own recognizance until a deportation hearing maybe months later (which they always show up for, LOL), because the feds don't have the detention facilities to be able to hold them.
As with most things, our elected representatives have ignored the problem until it has reached crises proportions and will be extremely difficult and expensive (our dollars) to fix.
They can look like heroes to their constituencies by stepping up to address a crises.
Preventing one in the first place is boring public relations, and doesn't get them on TV.
They get to use our tax dollars to "solve" the crises and gain publicity for their own reelection.
If the immgration laws are not going to be enforced then take them off the books. If it is to big a job to enforce them,if to cost to much to enforce them,if there is not enough man power to encforce them, then take the only step left SURRENDER you have been over run and defeated and not a shot was fired. Masuer
Longcruise
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When employment opportunity is taken away from illegals, the majority of them will go back home.
One of the most conservative states in the US, Utah, coddles illegals. Ever wonder why?
One of the most conservative states in the US, Utah, coddles illegals. Ever wonder why?
Now that I agree with you 100%,If the immagant worker was removed from the meat packing,industry,fruit and produce indstry and ect. everything would cost much more. But by not enforcing the immagration laws for the reasons of not enough money,man power,and ect sends a clear message to any other group that whats to enter the US illegally, for what ever reason, all they have to do is get large numbers and the US government will back down. Arrest a large group send them back and send a message to be heard. Mauser
ColoradoOsprey
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...If the immagant worker was removed from the meat packing,industry,fruit and produce indstry and ect. everything would cost much more....
Realize also that these illegals are not just taking menial labor or processing jobs. There are plenty of legal Americans that want the jobs that are being taken by illegal aliens.
Here in Colorado, the State Patrol in over 40% of it's traffic stops there are illigal aliens involved.... 40%!
When I was in Law Enforcement here we were required to get info for INS and release them. It's amazing how many Jose Martinez there were all living on Main Street in any town. They never shosed for hearings and their info was bogus. On non-illegals you are required to hold them until you can get a postive ID. On illegals, you let them go. So we hold citizens to a higher standard than people who are here illegally? It's all BS and a war will erupt on the border.
...If the immagant worker was removed from the meat packing,industry,fruit and produce indstry and ect. everything would cost much more....
Realize also that these illegals are not just taking menial labor or processing jobs. There are plenty of legal Americans that want the jobs that are being taken by illegal aliens.
Here in Colorado, the State Patrol in over 40% of it's traffic stops there are illigal aliens involved.... 40%!
When I was in Law Enforcement here we were required to get info for INS and release them. It's amazing how many Jose Martinez there were all living on Main Street in any town. They never shosed for hearings and their info was bogus. On non-illegals you are required to hold them until you can get a postive ID. On illegals, you let them go. So we hold citizens to a higher standard than people who are here illegally? It's all BS and a war will erupt on the border.
BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH!
How many folks here have actually tried to do something about the illegal alien problem?Has anyone;
1)Called,faxed,emailed their representatives in congress?
2)Volunteered time to an organization like the Minutemen?
3)Written a Letter to the Editor of a local newspaper?
4)Donated money to an organization that is pressuring the politicians to do something FOR MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICANS regarding this problem?
5)Actually researched and given serious thought to the negative effects on our economy of uncontrolled illegal immigration? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
How many folks here have actually tried to do something about the illegal alien problem?Has anyone;
1)Called,faxed,emailed their representatives in congress?
2)Volunteered time to an organization like the Minutemen?
3)Written a Letter to the Editor of a local newspaper?
4)Donated money to an organization that is pressuring the politicians to do something FOR MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICANS regarding this problem?
5)Actually researched and given serious thought to the negative effects on our economy of uncontrolled illegal immigration? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
PineCone
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longcruise, you make some good points.
But,to answer your Question # 6, above please refer to this post Ireland declares war on France
Have you been hanging around with this Paddy guy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Peace.
PC
But,to answer your Question # 6, above please refer to this post Ireland declares war on France
Have you been hanging around with this Paddy guy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Peace.
PC
Longcruise
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Ireland declares war on France
Have you been hanging around with this Paddy guy.
Peace.
PC
That's hilarious.
We could do as the Romans did! Automatically conscript them into military service and send em off to Iraq
Ireland declares war on France
Have you been hanging around with this Paddy guy.
Peace.
PC
That's hilarious.
We could do as the Romans did! Automatically conscript them into military service and send em off to Iraq
NM Leon
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Yep, 1, 3, 4, & 5
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Automatically conscript them into military service and send em off to Iraq
I suspect you were joking, but that's actually an idea with some merit. Foriegners joining the U.S. military used to be a "fast track" way to gain citizenship.
My Great Grandfather (WW1) and my ex father-in-law (Korea) both did it that way.
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Automatically conscript them into military service and send em off to Iraq
I suspect you were joking, but that's actually an idea with some merit. Foriegners joining the U.S. military used to be a "fast track" way to gain citizenship.
My Great Grandfather (WW1) and my ex father-in-law (Korea) both did it that way.
HighPlainsDrifter
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It may be different in other areas but I doubt it. Just like Colorado Osprey said, local law enforcements hands are pretty much tied around here. We cant jail an illegal for just being an illegal. They need to have broken a local, state or federal law. Otherwise we obtain information on them and forward it to INS. Very few get deported and those that do just find their way back. Longcruise hit the nail on the head. Even if we could lock up illegal aliens simply for that reason, its not even feasable. There is absolutely no place to put them.
Have done all 5, joined the Minutemen yesterday, but have always supported them in the past with donations and the use of our house when they were in our area.
I disagree that the job is to big to deport them. I would suggest that if local government(s) would pick them up and bus them to the state capitol and to the residence of the state governor and other local officials, they would find ways to have them deported poste haste.
I disagree that the job is to big to deport them. I would suggest that if local government(s) would pick them up and bus them to the state capitol and to the residence of the state governor and other local officials, they would find ways to have them deported poste haste.
NASA
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We cant jail an illegal for just being an illegal. They need to have broken a local, state or federal law.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif What's wrong with that sentence? Get out your Webster's and look up the word "illegal".
If someone shoplifts, is that not "illegal"? If someone forges a check, is that not "illegal"? If you shoot game out of season, is that not "illegal"? If you tresspass on private property, is that not "illegal"?
They ARE breaking a FEDERAL law. That's the "illegal" part! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html
We cant jail an illegal for just being an illegal. They need to have broken a local, state or federal law.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif What's wrong with that sentence? Get out your Webster's and look up the word "illegal".
If someone shoplifts, is that not "illegal"? If someone forges a check, is that not "illegal"? If you shoot game out of season, is that not "illegal"? If you tresspass on private property, is that not "illegal"?
They ARE breaking a FEDERAL law. That's the "illegal" part! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html