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I like the Nosler manual, I also like the Hodgen. If you start low and work up until you get slight extractor marks. Then back off a little, this is my maximum load with this combination of components. This load will usually be close to the maximum velocity listed in the Nosler manual. Their data is usually closer to what I find on the ground. Their most accurate loads usually work well too, if you use the same brass and primer. For the rest, refer to my tag line.