Isreal threatens to attack Iran
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That may be true. And the way it may be true just might be that they're going to handle this problem as they see fit, based on their decades of dealing with this country & not in some way predicated on the false promise that Iran can be negotiated with in good faith.
OldTurtle
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My dad was a Golden Gloves boxer in the '30s and Marine Corp Division Boxing Champion during WW2, so you know a little of how I was raised...."When your opponent drops his shoulder, even the slightest amount, you had better have a great left jab and a good follow up right"....That teaching came in handy several times as a street cop...
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When some one has the means, opportunity, and intention,,,,In my book they are bought and paid for, in full... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
17ACKLEYBEE
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So instead of pursuing deplomacy and exhausting ALL deplomatic possiblities, just bomb them? Or threaten them? This will only increase hostilities in the region.
Deplomacy has really worked for everyone in the past. Have you read any history books lately?
More power to Isreal kick their butts back into the stone age.
So instead of pursuing deplomacy and exhausting ALL deplomatic possiblities, just bomb them? Or threaten them? This will only increase hostilities in the region.
Deplomacy has really worked for everyone in the past. Have you read any history books lately?
More power to Isreal kick their butts back into the stone age.
Interesting discussion.
Israel is usually very calculated in what they say and do with regard to their enemies. Israel’s government is probably justifiably concerned with the continued actions of Iran’s main proxy in the region, Hezbollah, and suffers no illusions as to what would happen if Iran did develop a nuclear weapon capability. Therefore they want to make it perfectly clear to Iran and perhaps more so to the world at large that they 1. know what is going on 2. are not going to sit idly by and watch while this scenario unfolds.
As to the reports by the NIE concerning Iran’s intentions and capabilities it is probably safe to say the Israelis have a much better intelligence picture of what is going on in the middle east than any other nation and/or organization in the world. They have that developed that capability because their survival depends on knowing what their enemies are doing, when and where.
As to Israel sitting down in a discussion with Iran, unlikely since Iran doesn’t acknowledge that Israel even exists, and to have high level talks with them would be to admit that existence. Which of course leaves more of the same old stuff.
Finally it is almost impossible to understand the Israeli point of view when you are sitting safely in the United States. Here we have terrorism concerns which at times border on paranoia, (sometimes justified) But it isn’t paranoia when someone is actually killing and wounding your citizens. While they strike back at Hezbollah and Hamas they also realize those organizations would be nothing without the support of Iran, Syria and to some extent Saudi Arabia. So they consider the development of a nuclear capability by any of these nations a legitimate threat to their national security.
Will Israel strike first if it looks like an attack is a possibility; they’ve done it time and again when there appeared to be a threat to their existence. No one in Israel has forgotten the Holocaust and they view the nuclear weapons in the hands of certain Muslim states as having the same outcome. While they might not win such a confrontation one should not expect them to go quietly into the night, because they definitely will not.
Israel is usually very calculated in what they say and do with regard to their enemies. Israel’s government is probably justifiably concerned with the continued actions of Iran’s main proxy in the region, Hezbollah, and suffers no illusions as to what would happen if Iran did develop a nuclear weapon capability. Therefore they want to make it perfectly clear to Iran and perhaps more so to the world at large that they 1. know what is going on 2. are not going to sit idly by and watch while this scenario unfolds.
As to the reports by the NIE concerning Iran’s intentions and capabilities it is probably safe to say the Israelis have a much better intelligence picture of what is going on in the middle east than any other nation and/or organization in the world. They have that developed that capability because their survival depends on knowing what their enemies are doing, when and where.
As to Israel sitting down in a discussion with Iran, unlikely since Iran doesn’t acknowledge that Israel even exists, and to have high level talks with them would be to admit that existence. Which of course leaves more of the same old stuff.
Finally it is almost impossible to understand the Israeli point of view when you are sitting safely in the United States. Here we have terrorism concerns which at times border on paranoia, (sometimes justified) But it isn’t paranoia when someone is actually killing and wounding your citizens. While they strike back at Hezbollah and Hamas they also realize those organizations would be nothing without the support of Iran, Syria and to some extent Saudi Arabia. So they consider the development of a nuclear capability by any of these nations a legitimate threat to their national security.
Will Israel strike first if it looks like an attack is a possibility; they’ve done it time and again when there appeared to be a threat to their existence. No one in Israel has forgotten the Holocaust and they view the nuclear weapons in the hands of certain Muslim states as having the same outcome. While they might not win such a confrontation one should not expect them to go quietly into the night, because they definitely will not.
DaddyRabbit
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Wow! I finally get to say it, Rabbit, I agree with you!
Never thought that would come out of my mouth.
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Wow! I finally get to say it, Rabbit, I agree with you!
Never thought that would come out of my mouth.
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This is a political matter, not religious.
That is where your understanding and logic fall apart. If you think that the rift between Israel and the Arab nations isn't religious, you don't have a clue.
You obviously don't believe in God or the Bible, but that does not change the fact that they do, and that is ALL about "religion" and the recorded history in the Bible.
This is a political matter, not religious.
That is where your understanding and logic fall apart. If you think that the rift between Israel and the Arab nations isn't religious, you don't have a clue.
You obviously don't believe in God or the Bible, but that does not change the fact that they do, and that is ALL about "religion" and the recorded history in the Bible.
azmastablasta
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Here we go again, looks like theres going to be alot more ignore buttons pushed after this little temper tantrum. yano, you can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man!
gotchanow
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didnt you know thats what people like him do when they try to think with too few brain cells they start name calling and actually think everyone is unsulting them. Like Doc Savage says liberalism is a mental disorder. Its not really his fault. I bet hes been away at college long enough to forget the manners his mother taught him. Isnt this a family friendly forum?
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This is a political matter, not religious.
In the Muslim world there is no clear distinction between political life and religious life, they are both grounded in their religious text.
And the life they lead from birth till death is dictated by their faith, this has been one of the facts that make diplomacy such a risky business in that part of the world, they simply don't think as we do. Their method of negotiation is either after they have attacked you in some way or after they have taken some hostages, that is why kidnappings are seen as a legitimate diplomatic tool in that part of the world.
Iran has been in a state of war with Israel for many years, and has taken the lives of Israeli citizens through the use of proxy forces such as Hamas and Hezbollah, by supplying training or weapons, and is also the force behind the continued destabilization of the Lebanese government.
When someone of this background is working or has worked on the means too destroy or at the very least cripple your homeland, you might just want to take them seriously. They won't just call in the middle of the night sometime and let you know that they were just kicking around the idea of sending a nuke your way.
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This is a political matter, not religious.
In the Muslim world there is no clear distinction between political life and religious life, they are both grounded in their religious text.
And the life they lead from birth till death is dictated by their faith, this has been one of the facts that make diplomacy such a risky business in that part of the world, they simply don't think as we do. Their method of negotiation is either after they have attacked you in some way or after they have taken some hostages, that is why kidnappings are seen as a legitimate diplomatic tool in that part of the world.
Iran has been in a state of war with Israel for many years, and has taken the lives of Israeli citizens through the use of proxy forces such as Hamas and Hezbollah, by supplying training or weapons, and is also the force behind the continued destabilization of the Lebanese government.
When someone of this background is working or has worked on the means too destroy or at the very least cripple your homeland, you might just want to take them seriously. They won't just call in the middle of the night sometime and let you know that they were just kicking around the idea of sending a nuke your way.
Bill B.
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"STFU?" Good grief, this discussion is over as jwp has got his keyboard muscles back on and has allowed his immaturity to shine through. Do you not understand that using those four letters diminishes any plausible arguement you may have written? You've got a lot to learn.
If you don't see the basis of the middle eastern conflict as religious with governments involved then you really are blind. A little more reading would be a good undertaking. Or better yet, you are in college and I'm sure there are some middle eastern classes you could take. I did when I was in college. Being an engineering major I needed to take electives. My electives were Israel and the Arab Nations and American Foreign Defense Policy. I would suggest something similar.
By the way, what's your major?
If you don't see the basis of the middle eastern conflict as religious with governments involved then you really are blind. A little more reading would be a good undertaking. Or better yet, you are in college and I'm sure there are some middle eastern classes you could take. I did when I was in college. Being an engineering major I needed to take electives. My electives were Israel and the Arab Nations and American Foreign Defense Policy. I would suggest something similar.
By the way, what's your major?
redeyeddawg
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You are obviously intelligent and well read jwp
Having second thoughts Bill? Guess I'll STFU now. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
You are obviously intelligent and well read jwp
Having second thoughts Bill? Guess I'll STFU now. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
jwp
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Hey Kirby,do you think jwp stands for Juvenile White P---k ?
Actually J.W.P is my initials. I go by J.W., but i couldnt register with that so i added a the P.
Sorry, yes i am going to get a little short with people when they tell me what to pray for and what religion to worship.
I meant this DISCUSSION has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with Governments requesting searches by their own agenceis, but when the answer isnt what they want, they choose not to believe it. Then they want to enforce sanctions for no reason, which is going to make the sanctioned country a little mad...and that just creates more hostility.
Hey Kirby,do you think jwp stands for Juvenile White P---k ?
Actually J.W.P is my initials. I go by J.W., but i couldnt register with that so i added a the P.
Sorry, yes i am going to get a little short with people when they tell me what to pray for and what religion to worship.
I meant this DISCUSSION has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with Governments requesting searches by their own agenceis, but when the answer isnt what they want, they choose not to believe it. Then they want to enforce sanctions for no reason, which is going to make the sanctioned country a little mad...and that just creates more hostility.
TundraNick923
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Sorry, yes i am going to get a little short with people when they tell me what to pray for and what religion to worship.
Nobody is telling you who to pray for or worship buddy...
This discussion has plenty to do with religion. This conflict is based on religious indiferences and intolerance.
If you don't want to take a biblical look at it (which it says in the bible, that the nations who rise against Israel, will fall), than look at it from a historical point of view. Every nation that has risen against Israel (or God's chosen people) have fallen. Some of the greatest, most powerful nations in history have fallen because of their actions againts the Lord's people.
It's funny how you start a topic that you know darn good and well will get people stirring, and then you continuously poke at people with your little comments and then get all defensive when you get it dealt back to you.
Learn some respect if you want to receive any.
Sorry, yes i am going to get a little short with people when they tell me what to pray for and what religion to worship.
Nobody is telling you who to pray for or worship buddy...
This discussion has plenty to do with religion. This conflict is based on religious indiferences and intolerance.
If you don't want to take a biblical look at it (which it says in the bible, that the nations who rise against Israel, will fall), than look at it from a historical point of view. Every nation that has risen against Israel (or God's chosen people) have fallen. Some of the greatest, most powerful nations in history have fallen because of their actions againts the Lord's people.
It's funny how you start a topic that you know darn good and well will get people stirring, and then you continuously poke at people with your little comments and then get all defensive when you get it dealt back to you.
Learn some respect if you want to receive any.
jwp
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No that is in the word of God, the Bible. So you take that up with Jesus, next time you're praying. And pray for wisdom too. BTW learn how to spell Israel too.
Sounds like this guy is telling me to. Apparently i need to take it up with Jesus, and he also feels the need to let me know what to pray for.
It doesnt matter what religion i belong to or believe in, i dont need or want this "righteous" person telling me what i should do spiritually.
Sounds like this guy is telling me to. Apparently i need to take it up with Jesus, and he also feels the need to let me know what to pray for.
It doesnt matter what religion i belong to or believe in, i dont need or want this "righteous" person telling me what i should do spiritually.
TundraNick923
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And he doesn't need some kid telling him to "STFU"