Originally Posted By: steve garrettso nightforce glass sucks?? your freaking kidding me. mine works well enough to see coyotes in sage brush beyond the point my swarovski binoculars begin to give up in low light. coyotes in sage brush are often NOT SEEN in broad day light. nightforce gets me well beyond legal hunting light.
34 mm tube scopes are another product of the bigger is better taticoool crowd. kahles website says you only get 88 MOA in travel, most 30mm scopes offer more than that, why is the scope needing a 34mm tube?? just makes it clunkier and bulkier.
You'll have to excuse me as I have the luxury of not having to guess. I have owned both NF and the Kahles the OP was asking at the same time, although mine two are mil and not MOA. Of the two NF I owned, the Kahles glass was superior in contrast, clarity and sharpness of image. I was able to shoot both side by side at the same time and when looking at the same image, yes the Kahles glass was better.
I took three rifles to shoot with some buddies back in Feb, one buddy is a frequent member here. One rifle had a Kahles, one a March and NF. A couple of the guys there shot both my Kahles and NF too. In fact, it was during this particular day, that two of the guys there had S&B. Now up until this time, I was completely satisfied with the Kahles, but when I shot their Schmidts side by side with my Kahles, it was no comparision. I have since bought a S&B because its the best that I personally have shot to date.
Yes 34mm tubes are bigger and bulkier and are definately not a scope I would ever use on a hunting rig. For a hunting rig I would (and have) prefer a March over NF.
As Ernie stated, its not that NF glass is bad, but there are scopes that have better glass. I will say that I've had guys tell me that the NF Atacr is much better glass. I personally have no exerience with them. But then an Atacr model that is similar to the K624I also has a 34mm tube and weighs 38 oz.
I'm not basing my opinions on "what I have is the best" its simply that I have shot both in a side by side comparison.