Lethality of subsonic ammunition

Kino M said:
IMO hunting with sub's is not a good idea for about 98% of people with rifles. If a person MUST than a 300blk with the HEAVIEST bullet your rifle will spin is the only way to go. Also a bolt gun is MUCH more quiet than an AR platform.

A 223/556 in sub has the same energy as a 22LR so it is probably the WORST option out!

Due yourself a favor, and the animals and run supersonic loads with a can. Best thing going!
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Best advice .....this guy has it ....
Subsonics ??? why ??
Friends don't let friends subsonic.....

A rifle is a rifle for speed and terminal ballistics on mass....
if you're gonna toss an expensive 220 Gr Sierra BT at a target at 1000 fps
do yourself a favor , save $$ just use a 45 acp in 220 gr .....same effect ....Crap !

My cans quiet the blast down so much on screamers at 3700 fps why would I ever
go subsonic ?

My intent is to anchor that sob where he stands....
 
wolverines said:
To each his own man. I love shooting woodchucks in the summer with my 300BO subs.
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LOL .....I love to hear the POP ! and watch the chunks fly !!
You can have your slow kill ....300 blk out ....
My 220 swift , 22 250 and 22 Creedmor create a masterpiece in slow motion photography
 
coyotekilla83 said:
I've taken a deer with a 300 blk, 190 subx, did the job fine. It's not as dramatic as using a std rifle, but it's terminal. You have to hunt with a different mindset though. You need to get into archery mode. Wait for the right shot, at the right angle, know your range. My 300 blackout uses up 25 moa from 50 to 158 yds. At the same range I don't think a 22-250 uses 2 moa...
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I have an expensive Knights Armament 300 BLK OUT upper I bought years ago
I have a ton of brass and CFE BLK OUT powder etc.....just can't get excited to even load for it
or use it ...

It's a Novelty ....If I was an uber assassin and needed to knock sentries out with head shots at night
sure .....

but that ain't me.....

The only head I look for at night is what my wife offers ....lol
 
Shotinthedark said:
I have an expensive Knights Armament 300 BLK OUT upper I bought years ago
I have a ton of brass and CFE BLK OUT powder etc.....just can't get excited to even load for it
or use it ...

It's a Novelty ....If I was an uber assassin and needed to knock sentries out with head shots at night
sure .....

but that ain't me.....

The only head I look for at night is what my wife offers ....lol
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And I don't hunt turkeys, but there are those that do and immensely enjoy it.
 
Waiting on some subsonics to come in to try on hogs and based on what they do with them I’ll shoot a few does next year with them.
 
For rifle hunting I want a fast, flat shooting, terminal cartridge and sound has nothing to do with it.
If I want stealth, quiet, close, and terminal results I'd use my crossbow.
 
Here's a picture of a 308 using subsonic Maker Rex 180gr bullets. I wouldn't personally recommend anything smaller than 7mm subsonic but Paul over at Maker Bullets is the guy I'd talk to. His specialty is subsonic bullets. If need be I also have pictures of a lot of other subsonic bullets killing things and their damage.

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Here's another subsonic kill:

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Tbone-AZ said:
Ok, i have been hunting out in the grass and desert with a can over the past 2 years.

I have tried with and without the can.. I have seen coyotes come in with others off in the distance coming in.. Gets the heart pumping, but you know it's not going to work out simply because as soon as you light one up the rest are not going to come in..
That is until you have a can.. It just doesn't seem to bother them. They keep coming and as long as they are about 300yrds apart it doesn't scare them off. This is using normal ammo. (which sounds like a 10/22 when you shoot with regular 223 vmax ammo using either a 5.56 can and 30 cal can)

I had one stand specifically where we were sleeping all night, in the open grass. We got up after hearnig them howl all around us..

Sat and waited for the sunrise, with cooking up coffee. Then walked about 50yrds from the truck and sat down after putting the cover over the truck.
in less than a couple of minutes a coyote came in right infront of us and down it went with the can. I had to manually kick on foxbang, and then a pair started howling behind us. We looked at each other, stood up and turned around and sat right back down now facing north and the truck at out 10 o'clock. we called for a couple of minutes(really just letting the foxbang kiyi going) in comes another coyote and was shot within 30 or 40 yrds of the truck.

This all happend within 10 minutes.
We let off a howl on the call and didn't hear anything, so we stood up and laughed and each grabbed a coyote and dragged it to the truck. while we were packing up the sleeping bags and getting ready to leave, my buddy notices a coyote sunning its self on a rise in the grass about 500 yrds off to the west of us..
The sunrise was right in it's face and couldn't see us..

He walked out there until it was 300yrds on the range finder and whistled to me ( i was still packing up) and i pulled up the bino's to spot for him. When he whistled the coyote stood up and 10 seconds later i watched the third one drop in under 30 minutes and we had done 2 stands 3 coyotes, with a can and didn't distrub anything using the normal ammo.

It is a rare thing, and not the norm.. But, i think that this year we called in about 10 extra coyotes because of the can.
Continueing to call has never been more important.

The only thing that i would suggest when you do this, is to use your foot to mark the direction, and i would take a photo of the spot it dropped near with my phone through the scope..
After shooting 2 coyotes more than 10 minutes apart in grass, it can be hard really fast to remember where it dropped. We spent more time this year recovering, but it was worth it.

We later started just shutting off the call for a couple of minutes, while the shooter kept an eye on the spot, then the other one would keep watching. If nothing came, the other one would go get it, and bring it back while the shooter would watch for anything.. If something did show up. Double break of squelch on the walkies would have the retriever drop and not move until another double squelch break. (not gun fire)
He and I were in the Marines together, and have a long trusted "hunting" relationship. It's really nice to hunt with someone that you almost don't have to talk to all day since they are on the same page and it's running smooth. He likes to shoot, i could care less, so i call and spot, he shoots.. It works.
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Semper Fi
 


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