Locating coyotes before calling?
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LBLDOG
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They dont usually howl every time when you use a interrogation howl they will sneek in quietly to see where the intruder is and now you have educated that yote right at dark or after dark. The siren some people drive up and down roads and stop and turn a siren on and listen right after dark. I go into a area and just listen right after dark or right at sunrise and sometimes they will howl and sometimes not. youneed to scout a little and look for scat and tracks and this will be a sure sign they are there in that area. I personally think that walking into any woods wold be kinda dumb with a siren. (Thats just my opinion). Goodluck!
Bull_Sprig
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I used the siren just last night. It found two new spots for us to call tonight. These coyotes that we found were several miles away from the spot we ran the siren at. To each his own, but it sure seems to help out a lot for us.
CaptainAhab
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LBLDOG hit the nail on the head. Throw away the idea of "locating" as all you'll do is educate the coyotes. Instead, get out of your truck and go look for tracks and kills and scat.
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I have to ask the obvious question just to satisfy my own curiousity: if howling is a bad idea, why do so many pros recommend that you do it?
The reason I'm asking is that this summer was the first time I tried howling and I had a lot of fun with it. I could get most of the yotes in my area to respond just about every night, and it didn't seem to put them off too much. They would always come in closer, and I doubt they were winding me because I'm usually positioned against a river bank when I'm howling, so they'd have to swim across to get a whiff of me
mifox
LBLDOG hit the nail on the head. Throw away the idea of "locating" as all you'll do is educate the coyotes. Instead, get out of your truck and go look for tracks and kills and scat.
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I have to ask the obvious question just to satisfy my own curiousity: if howling is a bad idea, why do so many pros recommend that you do it?
The reason I'm asking is that this summer was the first time I tried howling and I had a lot of fun with it. I could get most of the yotes in my area to respond just about every night, and it didn't seem to put them off too much. They would always come in closer, and I doubt they were winding me because I'm usually positioned against a river bank when I'm howling, so they'd have to swim across to get a whiff of me
MNYoteSlayer
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CaptainAhab:
I think you guys are talkin about two different things. The way you described about locating would probably work, but they are talking about driving around and trying to find spots. What if you are on the road trying to locate yotes and lettin 'er rip every once in awhile. This most likely isn't going to help your cause. What if you catch a coyote on a hill or in a flat that can clearly see you pull up and call. In my neck of the woods this is a very likely situation as you can see quite a ways. Or else you can be sure that they will put themselves in a position to see where that call is coming from. BUSTED!! This is two stikes against you right off the bat. 1)Don't think coyotes respond well to vehicles so it won't call back. You will never find out there are coyotes in that area, which was your sole mission. 2) That coyote has been educated, no doubt.
Sometimes you gotta put in the grunt work. If hunting coyotes was easy, everyone would do it.
I think you guys are talkin about two different things. The way you described about locating would probably work, but they are talking about driving around and trying to find spots. What if you are on the road trying to locate yotes and lettin 'er rip every once in awhile. This most likely isn't going to help your cause. What if you catch a coyote on a hill or in a flat that can clearly see you pull up and call. In my neck of the woods this is a very likely situation as you can see quite a ways. Or else you can be sure that they will put themselves in a position to see where that call is coming from. BUSTED!! This is two stikes against you right off the bat. 1)Don't think coyotes respond well to vehicles so it won't call back. You will never find out there are coyotes in that area, which was your sole mission. 2) That coyote has been educated, no doubt.
Sometimes you gotta put in the grunt work. If hunting coyotes was easy, everyone would do it.
I didn't ask this question out of total ignorance. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I have attempted to locate coyotes in just about every way there is. Doing the legwork (Pretty tough walking now in snow as deep as we have it.) indicates where coyotes have been, but we all know they have quite a range...eh? I think we are all interested in where they coyotes are CURRENTLY.
That's where howling comes in. Even my dear wife doesn't know the number of times I've gone out before dawn and after dusk to listen for coyotes. It's a crap shoot for sure. I have used a siren and I have howled...before dawn and after dusk. I know what I got for results, but wanted input from guys who have tried one or both of those techniques. Please continue. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
That's where howling comes in. Even my dear wife doesn't know the number of times I've gone out before dawn and after dusk to listen for coyotes. It's a crap shoot for sure. I have used a siren and I have howled...before dawn and after dusk. I know what I got for results, but wanted input from guys who have tried one or both of those techniques. Please continue. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
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LBLDOG hit the nail on the head. Throw away the idea of "locating" as all you'll do is educate the coyotes. Instead, get out of your truck and go look for tracks and kills and scat.
Locateing may not always work every nite in different places located through-out the U.S. but it does work and they will howl back to a locate howl sooner or later..
I have used different hand howlers and each one has a different pitch to it so you need to find the one with the right pitch to get them to respond..Not all howlers are equal...
The best time to locate is at nite not dureing the day..
The coyote here have about a 3-5 mile terr. that they move through and you could spend most of the day calling to a coyote thats not there. They couldbe in one section one day and in another the next..
I've only called in one coyote with in 60 miles of my home turf and i know where most of coyotes are from locateing them prior. Its getting them to respond to a call thats the tough part..
I call other areas and by locateing i can make my stands more productive.. Just because and area has signs of a coyote being there it may not have one there, it could be over a ridge in the next mile where it feels more comfortable being farther from a road or what not and then under darkness moves in to a area where it feeds and then back to a more comfortable bedding area..
So if i have the time i will locate then you know where there are..
LBLDOG hit the nail on the head. Throw away the idea of "locating" as all you'll do is educate the coyotes. Instead, get out of your truck and go look for tracks and kills and scat.
Locateing may not always work every nite in different places located through-out the U.S. but it does work and they will howl back to a locate howl sooner or later..
I have used different hand howlers and each one has a different pitch to it so you need to find the one with the right pitch to get them to respond..Not all howlers are equal...
The best time to locate is at nite not dureing the day..
The coyote here have about a 3-5 mile terr. that they move through and you could spend most of the day calling to a coyote thats not there. They couldbe in one section one day and in another the next..
I've only called in one coyote with in 60 miles of my home turf and i know where most of coyotes are from locateing them prior. Its getting them to respond to a call thats the tough part..
I call other areas and by locateing i can make my stands more productive.. Just because and area has signs of a coyote being there it may not have one there, it could be over a ridge in the next mile where it feels more comfortable being farther from a road or what not and then under darkness moves in to a area where it feeds and then back to a more comfortable bedding area..
So if i have the time i will locate then you know where there are..
CaptainAhab
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I think you guys are talkin about two different things. The way you described about locating would probably work, but they are talking about driving around and trying to find spots. What if you are on the road trying to locate yotes and lettin 'er rip every once in awhile. This most likely isn't going to help your cause.
Oh - I get it. Heh, thanks. Yeah, I don't drive around at all, and now days I mostly wait for them to howl and then howl back. Of course, this is up in WI where the hunting can be pretty tough some nights anyway, so just getting them to howl is often the most fun I'm going to have in a night anyway
CaptainAhab:
I think you guys are talkin about two different things. The way you described about locating would probably work, but they are talking about driving around and trying to find spots. What if you are on the road trying to locate yotes and lettin 'er rip every once in awhile. This most likely isn't going to help your cause.
Oh - I get it. Heh, thanks. Yeah, I don't drive around at all, and now days I mostly wait for them to howl and then howl back. Of course, this is up in WI where the hunting can be pretty tough some nights anyway, so just getting them to howl is often the most fun I'm going to have in a night anyway
R Buker
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The coyote here have about a 3-5 mile terr. that they move through and you could spend most of the day calling to a coyote thats not there. They couldbe in one section one day and in another the next..
Tim, I'm suggesting that you learn the land a bit better. I agree with you that they have large home territories here. But, they most often are going to be in a main "CORE" area when they aren't out hunting. When they are out hunting, they are more than likely to be in a certain area as well. Out of those 3 to 5 sq miles, only a small percentage of it will be productive for them or for you hunting them.
I've only called in one coyote with in 60 miles of my home turf and i know where most of coyotes are from locateing them prior. And, what I'm suggesting is that you just identified a problem with your success rate. Ever thought you can't call them in because you are too busy out there locating them instead of just calling them and killing them? I believe you just made my point. I know all about calling in Minnesota and I know you've struggled with it. But, let me tell you, it can be done on a regular basis. So if i have the time i will locate then you know where there are..
Yup, you'll know where they are and you won't kill them because you've educated them. One of the problems I have with it is that it's not just one person out "locating." Think about it. Everyone in the county that hunts predators is crusing the back roads howling and educating the coyotes. What do you think your odds are the next time you try to howl in a coyote to kill it? Do what you want but please leave the locating to your part of the state. We don't need it here.
Randy
The coyote here have about a 3-5 mile terr. that they move through and you could spend most of the day calling to a coyote thats not there. They couldbe in one section one day and in another the next..
Tim, I'm suggesting that you learn the land a bit better. I agree with you that they have large home territories here. But, they most often are going to be in a main "CORE" area when they aren't out hunting. When they are out hunting, they are more than likely to be in a certain area as well. Out of those 3 to 5 sq miles, only a small percentage of it will be productive for them or for you hunting them.
I've only called in one coyote with in 60 miles of my home turf and i know where most of coyotes are from locateing them prior. And, what I'm suggesting is that you just identified a problem with your success rate. Ever thought you can't call them in because you are too busy out there locating them instead of just calling them and killing them? I believe you just made my point. I know all about calling in Minnesota and I know you've struggled with it. But, let me tell you, it can be done on a regular basis. So if i have the time i will locate then you know where there are..
Yup, you'll know where they are and you won't kill them because you've educated them. One of the problems I have with it is that it's not just one person out "locating." Think about it. Everyone in the county that hunts predators is crusing the back roads howling and educating the coyotes. What do you think your odds are the next time you try to howl in a coyote to kill it? Do what you want but please leave the locating to your part of the state. We don't need it here.
Randy
CaptainAhab
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Do what you want but please leave the locating to your part of the state. We don't need it here.
You can post "No Hunting" signs around your property if you don't want him on it... oh, wait...
Do what you want but please leave the locating to your part of the state. We don't need it here.
You can post "No Hunting" signs around your property if you don't want him on it... oh, wait...
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Yup, you'll know where they are and you won't kill them because you've educated them. One of the problems I have with it is that it's not just one person out "locating." Think about it. Everyone in the county that hunts predators is crusing the back roads howling and educating the coyotes. What do you think your odds are the next time you try to howl in a coyote to kill it? Do what you want but please leave the locating to your part of the state. We don't need it here.
I've been trying to call the coyotes in my area for a long time, before i ever tried locateing. On the suggestion from a friend locateing was recomended prior to calling a area so i would then know the coyotes where there and then figure out an approach to them without being seen or heard..
The best time to locate is early mourning before the sun is up, the coyotes are in the core area or very close by when locateing at this time..
Can coyotes be burned out from too much locateing? Its possable, but if you just leave the area after the inital locate then it willbe fine. This summer i was locateing off and on, gave them time to forget and then come back to area to get a better understanding of each coyotes core area.
Is my locateing educateing the coyotes? No! If it was true then they would'nt respond on the next trip out to locate..
As for calling Min. coyotes i have called them in and killed them in central Mn. close to the wilmar area and have also done the same in western MN.
Are the coyotes educated in my area, NO! Just pressured from other hunting seasons and too small of sections with out enough cover... The northern hunters sit in tree stands or walk trails to hunt, here the hunters are on foot hunting deer, pheasants and in the brush with the coyotes. This goes on for 3 month's not counting the coyote hunters..
We also hit the coyotes hard every year by hunting them and the population just bounces back and we have a new bunch to work with. I have areas i save for just calling, and close to the end of the season if i have'nt called them in or by a slim chance educated them then i take the crew in and we clean-up and start fresh again...
Yup, you'll know where they are and you won't kill them because you've educated them. One of the problems I have with it is that it's not just one person out "locating." Think about it. Everyone in the county that hunts predators is crusing the back roads howling and educating the coyotes. What do you think your odds are the next time you try to howl in a coyote to kill it? Do what you want but please leave the locating to your part of the state. We don't need it here.
I've been trying to call the coyotes in my area for a long time, before i ever tried locateing. On the suggestion from a friend locateing was recomended prior to calling a area so i would then know the coyotes where there and then figure out an approach to them without being seen or heard..
The best time to locate is early mourning before the sun is up, the coyotes are in the core area or very close by when locateing at this time..
Can coyotes be burned out from too much locateing? Its possable, but if you just leave the area after the inital locate then it willbe fine. This summer i was locateing off and on, gave them time to forget and then come back to area to get a better understanding of each coyotes core area.
Is my locateing educateing the coyotes? No! If it was true then they would'nt respond on the next trip out to locate..
As for calling Min. coyotes i have called them in and killed them in central Mn. close to the wilmar area and have also done the same in western MN.
Are the coyotes educated in my area, NO! Just pressured from other hunting seasons and too small of sections with out enough cover... The northern hunters sit in tree stands or walk trails to hunt, here the hunters are on foot hunting deer, pheasants and in the brush with the coyotes. This goes on for 3 month's not counting the coyote hunters..
We also hit the coyotes hard every year by hunting them and the population just bounces back and we have a new bunch to work with. I have areas i save for just calling, and close to the end of the season if i have'nt called them in or by a slim chance educated them then i take the crew in and we clean-up and start fresh again...
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R Buker
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I grew up in Waseca. Not a lot different than your area. one mile sections and little cover. I can go down there and call in coyotes pretty much any trip because I know where to look. I don't need to "locate" them. Like I said, do what you want but I honestly believe you are hurting yourself.
Hey Randy : I worked the last few years around Waseca and its not close to where i live.. Waseca has alot more rolling ground and sloughs and there are some good size sections, there is also a higher coyote population there as well. I'm talking about most of the ares north of Highway 14 and west.. Its a good area thats for sure..
It just so happens i'll be heading for Waseca in the mourning to spend time with my niece's..good hunting..Tim
It just so happens i'll be heading for Waseca in the mourning to spend time with my niece's..good hunting..Tim
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But, they most often are going to be in a main "CORE" area when they aren't out hunting.
I'll agree with you there.
The thing is the coyotes here dureing this time of year are not going to be useing just one particular spot. One day they will hole up in a section with heavey cover and the next to a different location as far away as 2-3 miles. I know my coyotes and where there core areas are and pretty much know where they are from day to day.. When i do locate here its used to define that location. In other words i'll know if they are in the middle of the section in heavey cover or if they are in the N-E quarter or S-W quarter laying up in the CRP.
But, they most often are going to be in a main "CORE" area when they aren't out hunting.
I'll agree with you there.
The thing is the coyotes here dureing this time of year are not going to be useing just one particular spot. One day they will hole up in a section with heavey cover and the next to a different location as far away as 2-3 miles. I know my coyotes and where there core areas are and pretty much know where they are from day to day.. When i do locate here its used to define that location. In other words i'll know if they are in the middle of the section in heavey cover or if they are in the N-E quarter or S-W quarter laying up in the CRP.
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doggin coyotes
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then i take the crew in and we clean-up and start fresh again...
TA, Just curious what that means? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Thanks