So my NIB, old stock, LVSF in 17 Remington, just showed up today. I have been trolling the forums for a year now, trying to decide what rifle I should get. I love the weight and look of the LVSF, so that is the direction I went. My intent is bed the action and free float the barrel, but read many describing the stock as flimsy. When I unpacked the rifle, I was surprised that the gun has something similar to an H-S precision semi-bench fiberglass stock, and is not something I would think of as being flimsy. Is this the same stock described in the post or did they change stocks at some point? Thanks for your help in advance. RW
LVSF stock confusion
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Tim Neitzke
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That stock is nowhere near an H-S . I wouldn't say they are flimsy, just hate the way they feel.
They are made for a bi-pod and that's about it.
Some love'em ,some hate'em.
They are made for a bi-pod and that's about it.
Some love'em ,some hate'em.
Winny Fan
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They are a pillar bedded Bell and Carlson stock, IIRC. They have no full length aluminum bedding block in them like you find on the typical H-S Precision or the B&C Medalist stocks. The composite stock material is very similar to if not the same between the H-S and B&C stocks.
The fore end of the stock does have two small bedding ridges that some people have removed to float the barrels for "improved accuracy", and some people found that the rifles shot worse than when bedded on the fore end. Other have found improvement. Probably the secret of the stock and the rifle shooting great is how well the action sits on the pillars, etc. Just playing with stock screw torque often helps a factory rifle shoot better if its needed.
The fore end of the stock does have two small bedding ridges that some people have removed to float the barrels for "improved accuracy", and some people found that the rifles shot worse than when bedded on the fore end. Other have found improvement. Probably the secret of the stock and the rifle shooting great is how well the action sits on the pillars, etc. Just playing with stock screw torque often helps a factory rifle shoot better if its needed.
Tim Neitzke
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Originally Posted By: Winny Fan Probably the secret of the stock and the rifle shooting great is how well the action sits on the pillars, etc. Just playing with stock screw torque often helps a factory rifle shoot better if its needed.
Mine shot best torqued down tight and I mean twist a bolt off tight.
Mine shot best torqued down tight and I mean twist a bolt off tight.
Tim Neitzke
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If you like the feel of the stock, shoot it. Then decide.
Tim Neitzke
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BTW, do you roll your own ammo ?
The 17 Rem really shines when you do.
The 17 Rem really shines when you do.
Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeOriginally Posted By: Winny Fan Probably the secret of the stock and the rifle shooting great is how well the action sits on the pillars, etc. Just playing with stock screw torque often helps a factory rifle shoot better if its needed.
Mine shot best torqued down tight and I mean twist a bolt off tight.
Some do and some don't. That's why I recommended playing with it.
Like Tim said, if you like it, try it out and see before just chucking it. It's far from being a typical $30 factory tupperware stock.
Mine shot best torqued down tight and I mean twist a bolt off tight.
Some do and some don't. That's why I recommended playing with it.
Like Tim said, if you like it, try it out and see before just chucking it. It's far from being a typical $30 factory tupperware stock.
Call-and-Kill
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I've handled one in a 204 and I'm kickin myself south for not buying it. Put me in the group with the lvsf lovers
Originally Posted By: Winny FanThey are a pillar bedded Bell and Carlson stock, IIRC. They have no full length aluminum bedding block in them like you find on the typical H-S Precision or the B&C Medalist stocks. The composite stock material is very similar to if not the same between the H-S and B&C stocks.
The fore end of the stock does have two small bedding ridges that some people have removed to float the barrels for "improved accuracy", and some people found that the rifles shot worse than when bedded on the fore end. Other have found improvement. Probably the secret of the stock and the rifle shooting great is how well the action sits on the pillars, etc. Just playing with stock screw torque often helps a factory rifle shoot better if its needed.
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Calling the LVSF stocks "pillar bedded" is a stretch! More like a sleeve for the rear guard screw....the sleeve in mine did not bear on the rear of the action at all! There is a molded in aluminum block behind the recoil lug area. If I recall correctly, there wasn't full contact on the front receiver ring either. I broke out the Marine Tex, ground off the speed bumps, bedded it properly, tuned the trigger to 17 oz.....and now that 204 averages .5". I was very lucky if it shot 1" before the tune up!
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The fore end of the stock does have two small bedding ridges that some people have removed to float the barrels for "improved accuracy", and some people found that the rifles shot worse than when bedded on the fore end. Other have found improvement. Probably the secret of the stock and the rifle shooting great is how well the action sits on the pillars, etc. Just playing with stock screw torque often helps a factory rifle shoot better if its needed.
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Calling the LVSF stocks "pillar bedded" is a stretch! More like a sleeve for the rear guard screw....the sleeve in mine did not bear on the rear of the action at all! There is a molded in aluminum block behind the recoil lug area. If I recall correctly, there wasn't full contact on the front receiver ring either. I broke out the Marine Tex, ground off the speed bumps, bedded it properly, tuned the trigger to 17 oz.....and now that 204 averages .5". I was very lucky if it shot 1" before the tune up!
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Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: Flyrod1Originally Posted By: Winny FanThey are a pillar bedded Bell and Carlson stock, IIRC. They have no full length aluminum bedding block in them like you find on the typical H-S Precision or the B&C Medalist stocks. The composite stock material is very similar to if not the same between the H-S and B&C stocks.
The fore end of the stock does have two small bedding ridges that some people have removed to float the barrels for "improved accuracy", and some people found that the rifles shot worse than when bedded on the fore end. Other have found improvement. Probably the secret of the stock and the rifle shooting great is how well the action sits on the pillars, etc. Just playing with stock screw torque often helps a factory rifle shoot better if its needed.
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Calling the LVSF stocks "pillar bedded" is a stretch! More like a sleeve for the rear guard screw....the sleeve in mine did not bear on the rear of the action at all! There is a molded in aluminum block behind the recoil lug area. If I recall correctly, there wasn't full contact on the front receiver ring either. I broke out the Marine Tex, ground off the speed bumps, bedded it properly, tuned the trigger to 17 oz.....and now that 204 averages .5". I was very lucky if it shot 1" before the tune up!
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I referred to them as "pillar bedded" for lack of a better term for the very things you described as a way to say they attempted to bed the action. I don't believe I said that they were actually a really good stock, but rather that they were better than a totally plastic tupperware stock. Since they are a reasonably priced (read fairly cheap) mass produced composite material stock, I'm not surprised at the results you had. That's the very reason why some of the LVSF rifles shot well from the box and others didn't. I'm truly sorry if my simplified explanation for the OP caused you any angst or confusion.
As an FYI- I own two of the LVSF rifles and they both wear H-S Precision stocks. Go figure.
The fore end of the stock does have two small bedding ridges that some people have removed to float the barrels for "improved accuracy", and some people found that the rifles shot worse than when bedded on the fore end. Other have found improvement. Probably the secret of the stock and the rifle shooting great is how well the action sits on the pillars, etc. Just playing with stock screw torque often helps a factory rifle shoot better if its needed.
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Calling the LVSF stocks "pillar bedded" is a stretch! More like a sleeve for the rear guard screw....the sleeve in mine did not bear on the rear of the action at all! There is a molded in aluminum block behind the recoil lug area. If I recall correctly, there wasn't full contact on the front receiver ring either. I broke out the Marine Tex, ground off the speed bumps, bedded it properly, tuned the trigger to 17 oz.....and now that 204 averages .5". I was very lucky if it shot 1" before the tune up!
F1
I referred to them as "pillar bedded" for lack of a better term for the very things you described as a way to say they attempted to bed the action. I don't believe I said that they were actually a really good stock, but rather that they were better than a totally plastic tupperware stock. Since they are a reasonably priced (read fairly cheap) mass produced composite material stock, I'm not surprised at the results you had. That's the very reason why some of the LVSF rifles shot well from the box and others didn't. I'm truly sorry if my simplified explanation for the OP caused you any angst or confusion.
As an FYI- I own two of the LVSF rifles and they both wear H-S Precision stocks. Go figure.
Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeBTW, do you roll your own ammo ?
The 17 Rem really shines when you do.
I do. This will be my first go at a 17, so I have been looking at post on that as well. I think I will play with this stock for a while and see how it does. I bought this gun to hunt with, but also to teach my son about trigger control without worrying about the recoil.
The 17 Rem really shines when you do.
I do. This will be my first go at a 17, so I have been looking at post on that as well. I think I will play with this stock for a while and see how it does. I bought this gun to hunt with, but also to teach my son about trigger control without worrying about the recoil.
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No angst here....all's good! Just commenting on Remmy's(or B&C's) lack of attempted bearing surfaces
The B&C's are all right for beaters, after bedding, though.
I'm not making this comment for arguement's sake, but I'm not real crazy about H&S either! They are heavy, the ergonomics on my Sendero stocks is fair, and the aluminum bedding blocks, are usually not straight enough to not add stress to the action. There always seems to be some measurable deflection. They seem to all benefit from bedding, in my experience.
H&S's are tough though!
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The B&C's are all right for beaters, after bedding, though.
I'm not making this comment for arguement's sake, but I'm not real crazy about H&S either! They are heavy, the ergonomics on my Sendero stocks is fair, and the aluminum bedding blocks, are usually not straight enough to not add stress to the action. There always seems to be some measurable deflection. They seem to all benefit from bedding, in my experience.
H&S's are tough though!
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Tim Neitzke
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Originally Posted By: NCMTNBOYOriginally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeBTW, do you roll your own ammo ?
The 17 Rem really shines when you do.
I do. This will be my first go at a 17, so I have been looking at post on that as well. I think I will play with this stock for a while and see how it does. I bought this gun to hunt with, but also to teach my son about trigger control without worrying about the recoil.
Nice...
The 17 Rem really shines when you do.
I do. This will be my first go at a 17, so I have been looking at post on that as well. I think I will play with this stock for a while and see how it does. I bought this gun to hunt with, but also to teach my son about trigger control without worrying about the recoil.
Nice...
CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: Flyrod1
"... and the aluminum bedding blocks, are usually not straight enough to not add stress to the action. There always seems to be some measurable deflection."
Stress to the action is very over rated, almost to the point of qualifying as a myth or wive's tale - if you put a magnetic dial indicator on a 700 receiver, and crank down the action screws, you might see one or two thou of deflection. Nothing at all, in the accumulated tolerances.
Originally Posted By: Flyrod1
"They seem to all benefit from bedding, in my experience.
H&S's are tough though!"
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I have bedded every H&S I have owned and dozens for other shooters - and they do benefit from it - it is because it is impossible to cut a round aluminum channel in South Dakota, to fit a steel receiver made in Ilion NY.
If you cover a 700 receiver in machinist's marker and tighten the action in the block and remove it - you will find 3 to 5 touch points - all less than 1/10th of an inch.
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"... and the aluminum bedding blocks, are usually not straight enough to not add stress to the action. There always seems to be some measurable deflection."
Stress to the action is very over rated, almost to the point of qualifying as a myth or wive's tale - if you put a magnetic dial indicator on a 700 receiver, and crank down the action screws, you might see one or two thou of deflection. Nothing at all, in the accumulated tolerances.
Originally Posted By: Flyrod1
"They seem to all benefit from bedding, in my experience.
H&S's are tough though!"
F1
I have bedded every H&S I have owned and dozens for other shooters - and they do benefit from it - it is because it is impossible to cut a round aluminum channel in South Dakota, to fit a steel receiver made in Ilion NY.
If you cover a 700 receiver in machinist's marker and tighten the action in the block and remove it - you will find 3 to 5 touch points - all less than 1/10th of an inch.
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