MICHIGAN LAW

randall729

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wondering if other states have a law like michigan has. michigan says bb guns,.177 cal. and all pellet guns must be unloaded, in the barrel and magazines, and be in a closed case designed for storage of firearms and cannot be readily accessible to any occupant of the vehicle. seems to be extreme rules.
 
michigan has had some messed up airgun laws for a while. they're classified as a firearm and therefore must be transported like any other firearm.


there's legislation in the works right now trying to change that from what i understand.
 
Why would you want it any other way unless your road hunting. In a case unloaded protects the firearm, lessens the chance of putting it away loaded when you get home tired after a weekend of hunting and lessens the chance of an accidental discharge when disembarking the vehicle.

I still keep my guns unloads and in cases when I'm hunting and any not actually being used are padlocked into the gun rack in the truck.
 
If I want to carry a loaded gun in my vehicle, then that is my business! Good luck loading a weapon for self defense when you are assaulted in your home.
Law enforcement and the military don't have their weapons unloaded when transporting. Conceal carry don't have their weapons unloaded.
 
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Originally Posted By: AWSWhy would you want it any other way unless your road hunting. In a case unloaded protects the firearm, lessens the chance of putting it away loaded when you get home tired after a weekend of hunting and lessens the chance of an accidental discharge when disembarking the vehicle.

I still keep my guns unloads and in cases when I'm hunting and any not actually being used are padlocked into the gun rack in the truck.

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why do people always assume that otherwise law abiding citizens will automatically go and break the law (your example of road hunting) when they see something either a) they dont do personally or b) dont agree with.
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do you feel high capacity magazines and semi automatic firearms cause mass killings too?
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i've had a ccw permit for almost a decade now, and having carried a loaded gun around pretty much every day of that time hasnt changed anything. i still dont road hunt. my guns have never magically fired on their own. i still treat every gun as if it were loaded.

i wont even go into your useage of the term "accidental discharge" vs what happens most of the time - negligent discharges.



you want dumb - michigan law claims that a loaded magazine = a loaded gun for transport reasons. even if the magazine isnt anywhere near the gun and is otherwise cased. so if you're coming back in from hunting not only do we have to case our guns up and unload them, but we must also unload our mags. even if the gun is locked in the trunk. the same applies for coming into your stand pre-hunting hours.
 
Good answer Plant.one. I never knew MI was so strict! I guess it comes from living in a state that allows people to have more freedoms. I would like to know the reason behind your state laws.
 
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Originally Posted By: rudymontanaGood answer Plant.one. I never knew MI was so strict! I guess it comes from living in a state that allows people to have more freedoms. I would like to know the reason behind your state laws.

the state was pretty much run by democr@ps solidly for 50 or 60 years?
 
Originally Posted By: midwestpredatorSo if a bb gun is a firearm, do you need a nics check to purchase one from the store?

its going to depend if its a smooth bore or a rifled bore and what caliber it is.

smooth bore .177 or smaller i dont believe fall under "firearm" rules per exemptions. (please dont quote me on that, its been a while since i've purchased one)

rifled barreled pistols fall under same rules as any handgun, and air rifles (non smooth bore) require a nics check. i picked up a springer last summer and it blew my mind when they carried it over to the counter and made me fill out the form.


as i said, there's legislation right now working its way through the system to correct this foolishness.
 
Since the 1970's I've had a carry permit of one kind or another depending on the state and don't consider a hunting rifle or bird gun in a VEHICLE a self defense weapon. First of all it is unwheeldy in the vehicle and if you are in the vehicle you can either step on the gas and exit the problem or use the vehicle as a weapon before you could maneuver a long gun in a vehicle to use it.

I've been driving for 54 years and hunting out of a vehicle for that whole time including over 1 million miles in a semi. I have yet to see an instance where having a cased firearm was hazardous to my safety and have never had to even draw my concealed handgun while IN the vehicle. Since retiring six years ago I spend up to six months a year traveling, living and hunting out of my van and still keep my long guns case in the truck.
 
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i will give you this one point - even though you didnt make it - from a general safety standpoint, looking at joe public who takes his deer rifle or duck gun out once or twice a year.... those types of folks probably can use every safety advantage they can get. so i can understand why some MIGHT feel its a more responsible way to transport firearms. but i'm still not willing to say that every (or even most) gun owners fall into that category.

all that said, you assumption that someones legal ability to carry one loaded if they choose would make them prone to be a law breaker or just generally unsafe still doesnt stand. one does not preclude the other.

and like i said, just because you dont do it, or think that way, doesnt mean its wrong (or unsafe) for someone else to do so (assuming its legal).

and i'll still stand by my argument that any firearm in proper operating condition is no more dangerous loaded than it is unloaded. it still takes a *PERSON* to use it irresponsibly for it to become a danger to them or those around them.

if it weren't illegal to transport it, what reason would i need to unload my gun just to bring it back to the house for an hour while i come in for lunch? if you follow gun safety rule #1 - (treat every firearm as if it were loaded!) you wouldn't do anything that would put it at risk of discharging in an unsafe manner anyway! and i'll tell you this much right now. if anyone at my family's hunting camp would be that irresponsible that we actually had to worry about it, they wouldn't be there in the first place.

heck, that 12 gauge i keep in my bedroom loaded hasnt gone off in the last 10 or 15 years its been there. and for that matter, my carry pistol doesnt HAVE a mechanical safety on it - other than its 11 or 12lb trigger pull anyway. and thats never even come close to going off unless i had my finger in the trigger guard pulling it. and thats tucked into my waist band ready to go with a round in the pipe.
 
I bought a bb/pellet daisy not for hunting. why would I. have 22 for that. I didn't have to fill out any paperwork for background check. we will I bet given time (in michigan) so now I figure I should put it in a case when I go downstate to the farm to be on the safe side. should I have a hunting license also? keep the bbs in my glovebox?
 
From what I'm seeing is "elected officials" ( they don't like to be called politicians) want to make up laws to satisfy the public that elected them so it looks like they are doing their job as a elected official. doesn't matter how stupid it is. it is a feather in their cap.
 
The LEO's around here and most I've met carry their AR's locked in the trunk and shotguns in a locked rack in the vehicle, neither are considered a first line of defense weapon.
 
No matter what they are considered, it should be a responsible individuals decision how they transport their firearms. You choose to be hyper-careful, and I take no issue with that. I live in Texas, and I raise cows, have a few lease places, and an old model 94 that rides in my front seat at all times, nothing in the chamber, but the magazine is full. If I had it locked away as you do, those chance encounters with coyotes and hogs would work out in their favor more frequently than they currently do.

My point is, its not a one size fits all world, and just because its how you do it doesn't mean it's the way it should be done for everyone. That's the stance our opponents take...we should not.
 
Originally Posted By: Plant.Oneyou want dumb - michigan law claims that a loaded magazine = a loaded gun for transport reasons. even if the magazine isnt anywhere near the gun and is otherwise cased. so if you're coming back in from hunting not only do we have to case our guns up and unload them, but we must also unload our mags. even if the gun is locked in the trunk. the same applies for coming into your stand pre-hunting hours.

Hmmmm. Apparently the rules have changed and I'm guilty of not keeping up. I never knew I was breaking the law. When I have a gun with a detachable mag, I take mag out of gun and toss it in one of those green plastic ammo boxes. I use the same box to transport calls, flashlight, knife, scents, etc.,etc. My "goodie box". I always have it. Gun goes in it's case. Never dreamed I was illegal.....
 
Those that don't follow the laws have come to an understanding that no matter what you do, you are breaking a bunch of laws no matter what.
Those that do follow, or try to follow, get mad because the laws treat them like morons.

I carry bolt cutters, and a loaded gun. If i want to carry an unloaded gun, i might as well carry a bag of rocks. (but i bet that is illegal too)
 


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