Mike Granger-Wolves vs. Yotes

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Albertacoyotecaller

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Mike,

I have been hunting an area just by my house which usually holds a lot of yotes. I see lots every time I pass by, I hear them howling at night and so on.

I have called in a few there but lately I have been having problems with the yotes not coming committing to the call, hanging up at 300yrds or so.

Here is the problem, I have been seeing some wolves around the area lately. There is a single track in the immediate area that is fresh every few days. I have stopped hearing the yotes at night and have had poor success with calling. Now I am fine with going after the wolves, however my question is this. Is one wolf or maybe even two enough to drive most of yotes out of the area or make them shy to the call.

Greg

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Greg, I saw a show on The Discovery Channel that dealt with the wolf reintroduction in Yellowstone Park. They had film of a coyote trying to feed on a dead elk. The thing is, there were two wolves nearby. The coyote got one yip out and in about five seconds the coyote was torn to pieces by the wolves. It was amazing to see how fast they ripped the coyote apart. I have similar problems here with the coyotes responding, since the wolves were put back here too. I'm not calling this the hard truth, but it was what I've seen and heard. YMMV MI VHNTR
 
Greg,
The wolves will decimate your coyote population. In Alaska, the only place to find coyotes were right around the villages. As the wolf population goes up your coyotes will go down.

As for responding to calls, sometimes they just don't come. I've noticed about this time, right before breeding season. the coyotes don't come in very well. It will get better as the males begin defending thier territories. I've been in a slump as well. Two weeks of coyote hunting and I finally got two to come to me today. The bad part was I had to find them via howling, then walk through 2 feet of snow with snowshoes until I got practically in their laps. They won't come any distance at all. You may be experiencing the same thing.

Forgot, with wolves in the area, coyotes won't come barreling in unless they see another coyote with the goods or something that lets them know it's not a wolf killing a rabbit. Try howling, this may ease their fear a bit.

Good luck. Hope this helps.
 
Greg, Absolutely. If you have wolves in the area it is likely that you will have a dry spell with coyotes. We finally had to learn to snare wolves because the coyotes just quit coming around. I suggest you do the same. A couple years back, Iwas on a ridge and had the opportunity to see what happens to a coyote that has the misfortune to get caught by wolves. The coyote was running the road when four wolves cornered him on a bridge. The yote was shredded by four wolves. They just kept taking the next biggest chunk until the had him down to nothing. There were bits and pieces for better than a quarter mile up the road. AW
 
I used to hunt a spot in northern Minnesota with my hounds and had a blast chasing coyotes. Then the timbers started moving in. Now I don't even bother going up there anymore. It's all big grey ones and no coyotes.
 
What about the concept of the coyote -wolf cross, I believe that is the belief why the eastern coyote is bigger thant he western coyote,

Mike have you looked at the topic "calf crazy" in the eastern hunting forum ???

I think this maybe an important issue for the west to look at.
 
Howler, In the area that I trap, we have in the past come across "Hybrids" but the hybrids that we have around here are wolf/domestic. I have never seen a wolf/coyote. I have spoken with several biologists about this posibility and as a result have come to the conclusion that it is unlikely to happen around here. I have heard tale of the big eastern yotes too. I have only passed through the east a couple times and I am hardly qualified to offer an (educated) opinion as to the size. But here is my humble opinion based on what I have observed over the years. Around here, when we have high populations of snowshoe hares, the coyotes do seem to be a bit larger and heavier. I have been told of high cottontail populations in areas east of the Rockies as well as extremely high populations of white tails.
 
AW,

We do have large populations of Whitetailed deer here in the east, But cottontails populations are way down from what they use to be. Same with quail and grouse. The Wild Turkey population has exploded here in the East. More Turkeys than you can shake a stick at. Most of the sign I see here they feed on birds and mice more than anything, some deer and turkeys to. For the most part birds and rodents, rabits seem to be the big part of there diet. Some areas still have good numbers of cottontails rabits, around here though, not like they use to.

Seems from video's and pic that the western coyote is smaller than they are here in the east. I would say 40-50# is adverage here in the southern part of Oh, and eastern Ky. With several larger taken each year. I know I work with alot of guys that trap and there were some big coyotes traped out of the river bottoms here last year and this year, some of the biggist I have seen. I know one was over 60# and one around 65#. I didnt see the scales but by the pic I seen it had to be close. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I have taken two this year around the 50# mark and Lawhorn took one in Ky that was around 45-50#. I have also taken several around the 40-45# mark this year. I just started a log so I can keep track of the weight of these coyotes, it will be interesting to see what the average is in a year or so. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
One wolf will deal a pack of coyotes a real fit, two wolfs will ruin their day quick. They will depending on available food in the area, make quick the coyotes demise.
 
there are lots of 60# yotes runnin around here in ny. the timbers are also starting to move down from the dackd and more and more folks who are in the woods alot are seeing them. i've seen the timbers on 3 or 4 different occasions.
 
I know that wolves will do a number on yote pops but there is a different dilema here in Maine. We are protecting our northern deer herds from yote predation because our deer "yard up" in tight groups all winter which makes for easy pickings. The wolf advocates wan't them back in Maine and they say that they will take care of our yote problem. But won't the wolves do more damage to our wintering deer then the coyote? with the deep snow and harsh conditions, our deer wouldn't stand a chance against a wolf or wolves!! These wolf nuts are worse then the bunny huggers and the rest of the nuts out there! No wolves for Maine!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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