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Well guys, I think I have a new favorite toy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif Took the little beauty out and shot it today and she's quite a shooter. The most accurate load was 26 gr. Varget under a 40gr. Ballistic tip. Groups averaged right at 1/2" @ 100 yds. One 5 shot group measured 5/16".And that was shooting straight into a 15-20 mph wind.(Typical in Western Oklahoma)Not bad for a 6 1/2lb carbine. BTW, I paid $300 for it, shoots about as good as my $600 77VT, and its no slouch.