Most Worthless Calibers

Originally Posted By: titansfan2104 [/quote
You need to get out more
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i dont know waht guns or ammo you were shooting in that 223 but it must have been something ive never had the displeasure of shooting!! And the 7mm magnum is a flat out awesome caliber with good ballistics and good for all ranges of medium to large game !! Not picking on you just a little baffled at your 223 and 7mm results!!

In reality I don't consider the 7mm Rem Mag as worthless. But alongside of a .300 Mag I'll take the .300 every time, more bullet choices and more versatility.

The .223 I have no love for at all. It was OK in the service but when it comes to varmint hunting it leaves to much to be desired. My rifle was Savage 10fp with 1:9 twist. It could shoot 69 gr bullets into tiny holes at the range all day long. For ground hog hunting it wouldn't shoot 50 gr or lighter bullets accurately.

Right about now someone always chimes in with "But it will shoot the ballistically superior 75 gr bullets accurately to 1000 yards". That's a target bullet, not a hunting bullet. Try shooting that in a semi populated area with people, livestock and houses and you'll make friends fast.

Nope, if the .223 was no more I wouldn't shed a tear.
 
All I use for hunting these days are sub-calibers. Blaine Eddy (RIP) who probably killed more coyotes in one season than almost all forum members here will do in a lifetime loved the 17s.

Originally Posted By: BigMo17 Anything.......I like hunting not tracking.
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Originally Posted By: joedOriginally Posted By: titansfan2104
You need to get out more
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i dont know waht guns or ammo you were shooting in that 223 but it must have been something ive never had the displeasure of shooting!! And the 7mm magnum is a flat out awesome caliber with good ballistics and good for all ranges of medium to large game !! Not picking on you just a little baffled at your 223 and 7mm results!![/quote

In reality I don't consider the 7mm Rem Mag as worthless. But alongside of a .300 Mag I'll take the .300 every time, more bullet choices and more versatility.

The .223 I have no love for at all. It was OK in the service but when it comes to varmint hunting it leaves to much to be desired. My rifle was Savage 10fp with 1:9 twist. It could shoot 69 gr bullets into tiny holes at the range all day long. For ground hog hunting it wouldn't shoot 50 gr or lighter bullets accurately.

Right about now someone always chimes in with "But it will shoot the ballistically superior 75 gr bullets accurately to 1000 yards". That's a target bullet, not a hunting bullet. Try shooting that in a semi populated area with people, livestock and houses and you'll make friends fast.

Nope, if the .223 was no more I wouldn't shed a tear.

Ok... I probably would have varmint hunted with 69gr bullet then. [beeep], my truck does pretty much what I want it to, but man does it run like garbage if I put diesel in the tank
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1 barrel does not a caliber make.

I think the 25acp is a great round. How else can you teach someone what keyholing is where you can actually see it on paper at 7 yards. Saves a whooooole lot of walking.
 
Originally Posted By: NdIndyI live by the philosophy that I should own as many calibers as possible, biggest problem is deciding WHAT to hunt with, not whether or not I have an appropriate gun.

That's not a bad idea, I tried it myself. Problem was after I started accumulating a good number of guns I realized there was to much duplication.

For instance, 7mm Mag and .300 Mag. The .30 just has a wider choice of bullets so gone was my 7mm mag.

Then it came down to .223 and .22-250. You can't win even by having more guns.

I can look in the safe and still see duplication and rifles I don't shoot very often anymore. But I don't know if I want to get rid of them.
 
The most worthless caliber is---insert any number you wish, unless you have tried them all you will not know. I think it is impossible to own all the different ones but it is not a bad goal and will be a lot more fun than a 401K. I see the 22 hi-power mentioned here, it would drive a 70 grain bullet at 2800 fps. Now some are shooting 69 or 70 grain bullets in a 223 at about 2800 fps explain the difference.
 
I agree...this is a worthless thread. I don't see what's the point. I think the 270 is great, however. The 7mm compared to the .270 bullet are basically the same...with a slight edge to the .270 in BC if you look at most manufacturers. Hornady SST in 140 gr. .277=.495; 139gr .284=.486. Same bullet (SST) 150gr .277=.525; 154gr .284=.525. As you look at different bullet manufacturers you have to get above 150gr before the .284 has ballistic edge to the .277 generally speaking. I know speed also is a factor and changes depending on the chambering you choose, but saying .270 is nada compared to the 7mm is silly.

Now I think .303 is an odd caliber, but maybe I’d feel different if I were on the other side of the pond.

Not that I think this discussion needs fuel, but it may be more worthwhile to discuss worthless cartridges/chamberings.
 
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Personally I just love guns. I love shooting guns, reloading for guns, tinkering and hunting with them. I buy a gun and as long as it is accurate I have yet to have one that I did not see it in a posative light. Truth is I own a ton of guns and alot of them overlap but who cares it is still a gun! I love guns!
 
I can not think of any that are worthless but there seem to be some that are impractical from different stand points.

I my self have filled my safe with varmint rifles that fit what I hunt and where I hunt and how much I will shoot.

I have 3 rifles that I hunt /kill sage rats, PD's Gray Diggers with butone will do anything the other 2 will do and do it better but at a higher cost per round. But I think it is over kill when shooting shorter yardages.So that is where the other 2 come into play. The rifle I use for up to 150 YDS is the 17HMR ( no I do not hunt yotes with it),-- .223 Rem.out to 250YDS,-- and the 22-250 for the way out there shots.
The 17 HMR shines because of low recoil, barrel never gets to hot, very accurate, cost of ammo is not to high, and most of all you very very seldom get a ricochet and that is a plus all in it's self for where I am shooting. The 223REM. cost less to shoot than the 22-250 and does double duty as a coyote killer. The 22-250 is to heavy for packing in the field for a yote rifle ( but I did pack it one time and killed myself a nice buck with it)so it gets to be the long range killer of PD's, Sage rats ETC.

The 17HMR is a blast to shoot when the wind is blowing as I get to practice my Kentucky windage.
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and it doesn't cost me an arm and a leg to do it.


What might be worthless to one shooter might be just the cats meow to someone else.

Some might not be able to afford several different rifles and have to choose a rifle that is more or less a do-all rifle. My self I can afford several and do not look down my nose at those that can not or that choose a Cartridge that I do not care for.

I am not the Cartridge / Caliber police.

What Makes the USA better than any other place on earth is we still have a choice on what rifle we choose to own and use.
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Oh well--- on with the show.

Your opinion is no better than mine and mine is no better than yours.
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DAB
 
Originally Posted By: motivationteamPersonally I just love guns. I love shooting guns, reloading for guns, tinkering and hunting with them. I buy a gun and as long as it is accurate I have yet to have one that I did not see it in a positive light. Truth is I own a ton of guns and a lot of them overlap but who cares it is still a gun! I love guns!

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Well said, Wished I would have put it that way as that is the way is see it.
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DAB
 
I must agree, this is a worthless thread. But look how many replies it has gotten and all the opinions!!
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The only really worthless calibers are the ones I can't make shoot!!
 


.177 cal is useless to me. They just seem to sting the
Coyoties.
Never have been able to get one to fall in it's tracks.

AND NO, Shot placement hasn't been the issue.
 
Originally Posted By: CoyoteOn2

.177 cal is useless to me. They just seem to sting the
Coyoties.
Never have been able to get one to fall in it's tracks.

AND NO, Shot placement hasn't been the issue.

What bullet were you shooting. I have put down alot of coyotes with the 17 Rem. I will admit I have had to make some follow up shots but that is not the norm.
 
Originally Posted By: CoyoteOn2

.177 cal is useless to me. They just seem to sting the
Coyoties.
Never have been able to get one to fall in it's tracks.

AND NO, Shot placement hasn't been the issue.

Quit using a .177 air rifle, Try stepping up to a .172 centerfire, like the 17 Remington.

Just seem to sting them, huh? Several of my friends and myself have had many 1-shot kills, and I guarantee you it did more than sting them, especially those scrawny little S. Western coyotes.
 
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Originally Posted By: CoyoteOn2

.177 cal is useless to me. They just seem to sting the
Coyoties.
Never have been able to get one to fall in it's tracks.

AND NO, Shot placement hasn't been the issue.

As stated above, 17 cals are .172. .177 is a pellet gun.
So are you talking about pellet guns, 17cal rimfires, or 17cal centerfires, or are you just talking.
If you're talking about centerfires, the answer to your problem is definitely shot placement.

Edit; Here's a link to see several Coyotes shot dead with 17cal's. Or you can pay for the mans videos and see a hundred or more.
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
http://www.rmvh.com/Scenes.htm
 
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Had a 30-40 Krag that was lacking in the performance department. Wasnt any better than a 30-30 but a heck of a lot harder to find ammo for.
 
270 win (277)-.013 = a 6.5 and BC is about .620 with 140gr
270win (.277)+.007= a 280 (7mm) and bc .510 with 140 gr
now matter if you go up or down in calaber you can beat the 270 win . 6.5-06 ,280 and 270win all base case off (30-06)6.5 or 280 offer same weight bullet with better bc and it the same for 270wsm. 6.5wsm or 7wsm
6.5 better bc and SD
280 or 7mm same or better bc faster and biger hole by .007 no matter how you look at it the 270 does not have better bc. In one brand of bullet yes but not in the real world all it take is buy a diferent brand of bullet.
 
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