Muzzleloader Primers

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duxburybuck

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I'm looking into getting a 50 caliber muzzleloader barrel for my TC Encore. I have been reading and see that it takes the 209 primers. Some places have 209 shotgun primers and also 209 muzzleloading primers(twice the cost of the shotgun ones). Is there any difference between the two?

Thanks
 
short answer - nope.

long answer - not really. some are manufactured to produce less fouling, or at least that is what I think I have read about them. They are the same size, produce a spark that sets off the powder and produces the pressure to send the propellant down range and toward the intended target. I use Winchester 209.
 
I have a tc omega, and for me the muzzleloader primers make a difference in loading. I use 777 pellets, and with 209 primers after a couple of shots, cannot get bullet all the way down easily. supposedly due to a ring of hard fouling. I know it is hard to get this ring out when cleaning. I understand I am not alone in this, and that is why the others were developed. tried the new ones, and problems is gone, so the idea must work. have no idea how it affects other powders. so for the amount of shooting I do with an inline, the $$$ means nothing.
Barry
 
The muzzleloader specific 209's were designed for use with Hodgdon's Triple Se7en powder which is widely known to produce a powder fouling ring in the barrel. The 209 ML primers are supposed to cut down on this ring somewhat. If you choose to use Blackhorn 209 powder, the 209 ML primers are not recommeded for it as it needs a hot spark and a tight sabot for ignition, just like a Savage 10ML-II shooting smokeless powder.
 
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I know it is hard to get this ring out when cleaning.



Single best tip I can offer is this......

Get some foaming bore cleaner, wipe-out or whatever brand you want. Leave the breech plug in the rifle, fill the bore with the foam. Let it set for 30 minutes or so and then patch it out. 3-4 patches and you'll be done. That foaming bore cleaner eats that carbon fouling for lunch. You'll never have to brush it again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Yotecallr & Nic 58 nailed it! If you want the ultimate performance, easy repetitive loading, and easy cleaning, go with Blackhorn 209.
 
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I have a tc omega, and for me the muzzleloader primers make a difference in loading. I use 777 pellets, and with 209 primers after a couple of shots, cannot get bullet all the way down easily. supposedly due to a ring of hard fouling. I know it is hard to get this ring out when cleaning. I understand I am not alone in this, and that is why the others were developed. tried the new ones, and problems is gone, so the idea must work. have no idea how it affects other powders. so for the amount of shooting I do with an inline, the $$$ means nothing.
Barry



Ditto with my Knight. I use the Remington Cleanbore Muzzlelaoding 209s. Well worth it in my opinion makes the clean up much quicker too!
 
+1 on the muzzleloader primers.

I've got somewhere around a bazillion various 209 primers in my reloading bench, so I resisted trying the ultra expensive muzzleloader primers, thinking that they were just another gimmick designed to separate a hunter from his money, until I found some Winchester Triple 7 209's in the bargain aisle at Walmart for $2.50 a hundred. So I broke down and bought some.

All I can say is that to my suprise, they do make a difference. I don't know why, but they do. The 777 crud ring doesn't form with the ML primers like it does with standard shotshell 209's. Accuracy is the same.

I have to recommend them, especially if you can find them in the bargain aisle.
 
It is my understanding that the ML 209s do not give off the same pressure(?) as the regular 209s. The 209s move the bullet just enough when it goes that the crud ring forms. The ML 209s some how do not or move the bullet less. Not sure about the exact details but this is how the guy at the gun shop explained it.
Hope this helps
Mark
 
I do not like the muzzleloader primers. We have tried the Triple 7 primers and have ALOT of misfires. Went back to the Winchester 209's and we have had no problems. I will say I may have to try the Blackhorn 209.
 
Not to take this subject down another path, but I want to point out the fact that, at least with the T/C shockwave bullets, sabots, the plastic sleeve, has a shelf life. Thats right, I have come up with some great groups with those bullets in the past, then one year with the same package of bullets, the groups just went to heck! Started finding peices instead of the whole sabot intact. Bought a new package of shockwaves and I was back in the game! Thought I would pass that on!
 
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Save your money and buy a Savage 10ML-II and shoot smokeless powder in it and you won't have any loading or fouling problems.



Before you do that, check your local regs if you're going to hunt with it. There are many states where the Savage muzzleloaders are not legal.

The muzzleloader specific 209's helped out with the crud ring problem in my Omega. I use 'em.
 


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