NEF won't eject shell (update)

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So. Dak.

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I have a month old NEF handi-rifle in a .223 with bull barrel. More than 1/2 the time it won't eject the shell. When there is no shell in there the ejector works flawlessly (pops out everytime). When there is a shell in there the ejector just stays flush with the barrel and wo't pop out. I've cleaned the barrel and lubed the ejector and it worked good for about 4 shells and started doing it again. This has happened with 2 different brands of ammo. Very frustrating!

Anyone have experience with this? What did you do?
 
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So. Dak.,

Many on Graybeard's NEF board recommend polishing the chamber with JB compound or Flitz Metal Polish. Make sure that all of your barrel cleaner is out of the chamber. I think thats the most important, keep that chamber dry!!

My 22-250 has an mechanical extractor, versus the ejector. I understand they are moving all rifles to the extractor. They can be converted, search the NEF centerfire board for details.

Off to shoot some whistle pigs.

Good shooting,

Rick
 
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So. Dak.

Sometimes a rough chamber can cause difficult extraction with FIRED cases. Polishing will help here.


If you have a sticky extractor...you might try this:

1. Remove barrel from stock.

2. Using aerosol brake cleaner...completely degrease the extractor mechanism.

3. Hold the barrel vertically, with the muzzle down on a padded surface. A generous slab of dense rubber or leather will do...the idea here is to protect the crown of the barrel.

4. Using a soft surface hammer...plastic or hard rubber...maybe even brass: carefully tap the extractor mechanism down, then allow it to spring back in the deployed position. This will take some finesse and practice. You'll need to cycle the extractor this way several dozen times.

The idea here, is too "wear in" the working surfaces of the extractor to its housing.

Re-lubricate afterwards...and see if there's any improvement.


My NEF needs a slight chamber polish...otherwise shoots great!

Let us know what happens.
 
I'll try the polishing today. I'm assuming that I can find the above mentioned polishing products at my local outdoors store?

when I get the polish, what is the process to do the actual polishing? Put polish on a patch and run it in and out of the barrel?

Thanks,

Jeff
 
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Was you using Wolf Ammo? Wolf sticks in my dads NEF 223 sometimes. In my Encore it operates flawlessly and is very accurate.

t/c223encore.



NO wolf here. I used Black hills ammo and then some white box from walmart.
 
Welcome to the world of the NEF. You might want to keep a 3 piece cleaning rod handy when you go out or cut the end off your radio antenna on your car so it can fit downthe barrel and knock the brass out. I had the same problem with 2 NEF's. Finally, I just got rid of them both. Tried the polish, tried making sure all oil was out of the chamber. Nothing worked.
 
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Welcome to the world of the NEF. You might want to keep a 3 piece cleaning rod handy when you go out or cut the end off your radio antenna on your car so it can fit downthe barrel and knock the brass out. I had the same problem with 2 NEF's. Finally, I just got rid of them both. Tried the polish, tried making sure all oil was out of the chamber. Nothing worked.



This doesn't sound too encouraging /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif.

I'm going to email NEF and see if they can offer some advice. It I can't fix it, shouldn't they refund my money?
 
Many people are very happy with their NEF's. I was not. I use to visit the NEF BB. Seemed like this was a some what common problem talked about over there. Try the polish, it may work for you. Personally I wasnt to pleased with the accuracy of my NEF's either. Others claim great accuracy. This is just one mans opinion. And opinions are like........ well you get my drift. Dont get to discouraged.
 
So. Dak.
Your wife is letting you go shooting, with a new baby and all? Man she must be a great women. How is you baby girl doing? Thanks for posting those pic. I have never seen a c-section, and was suprized I saw it here. I hope your changing diapers! Good luck with your NEF. I have no advise, but I do have an antenna off my old bronco, if you want I will mail it to ya as a baby shower gift.
 
To polish the chamber, I use a .410(on the .223) bore mop with JB Bore compound or Flitz on a military patch wrapped around it, put the mop on the tip section of a 3 piece rod, chuck it in a drill and polish for a couple minutes, in and out not hitting the throat too much. Add more polish a few times during the polishing.

Keeping the chamber clean and dry is important. I've shot over 300 rounds thru my .223 Ultra and have never stuck a case in it. I haven't had a stuck case in any NEF/H&R that wasn't my fault for not cleaning and drying the chamber before shooting and I have 8 frames and 19 barrels.

The new NEF/H&R rifles are being fitted with mechanical extractors as they run out of the ejector underlugs, eventually all of their rifles will have extractors. You can convert a spring driven ejector to a spring driven extractor, but it won't solve the stuck case problem since the weak spring is the reason for the stuck case along with either a dirty/oily/rough chamber or too hot of ammo, but the polishing helps for normal shooting. The conversion below just allows you to pluck the spent case from the chamber to save you from having to catch the brass.

http://www.brimstonepistoleros.com/Articles/hr-ejector-mod.html
 
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So. Dak.
Your wife is letting you go shooting, with a new baby and all? Man she must be a great women. How is you baby girl doing? Thanks for posting those pic. I have never seen a c-section, and was suprized I saw it here. I hope your changing diapers! Good luck with your NEF. I have no advise, but I do have an antenna off my old bronco, if you want I will mail it to ya as a baby shower gift.



Ha! We went down to my in-laws yesterday. I did a little work and managed to get down to the PD town. Killed 6 or 7 with my .204 and had a blast. Yes, my wife doesn't get too excited when I go and shoot or hunt. I don't drink or go to bars or "run around" at all so she knows this is better for all of us! Even with a new baby!
 
I polished it and it still does it. I did experiment and found out it only does it with a spent shell. I can eject a live round all day. What does this tell me?
 
.....that tells you it is a rough/miscut chamber. My friend was having similar problems with his NEF. I noticed a slight bulge in the fired cases that was very hard to see. He had his dealer contact NEF. They sent a pick up number so shipping was on them and after checking it out are sending him a new rifle. My friends rifle also popped open a couple times on me while I was shooting it to try and figure it out.
I think the NEF's are a good concept but just pushed through the assembly process too fast without enough attention to detail or quality control.
 
Hmmm, sounds like maybe a trip to H&R is in order. I shoot the 45gr JHP win white box mostly, but I've also shot the rem UMC, Ultramax 40gr Nosler BT reman and Black Hills 52gr Match HP, no problems ejecting any of it. Have you cleaned the ejector? I would disassemble it by following the instructions at the link I posted...or just contact H&R and ask for it to be returned for repair, you could have an out of spec chamber. They will either issue a call tag or offer to reimburse your shipping cost, they have done both at one time or another.

hr1871@hr1871.com
(978) 630-8220
(978) 632-5246
 
I think the method that I saw for chamber polishing (from the now defunct NEF boards) was to knock the primer out of a spent shell and modify it so you can chuck it to a drill, then put Flitz on the case. Put it in the chamber and start turning.
 
yeah, drill out the primer pocket and put a small sheet metal screw through it, Use a long enuff screw to allow chucking in a drill. Another question for you, do you have any powder residue on your scope in the area where the barrel closes down in the frame? that will tell you if your having a problem with the gas blowing back thru the chamber. I noticed that on dads.

t/c223encore.
 
I have a question then guys, when the rifle is fired, the brass actually expands under pressure and produces a "friction bond" between the chamber and brass. I understand this keep the head of the brass from contacting the face of the bolt (or reciever in this case i guess) to harshly. If we polish doesnt that change the ability of this or does the polish not remove enough to matter?
deadhorse
 
I don't know where you get your info as follows:

"when the rifle is fired, the brass actually expands under pressure and produces a "friction bond" between the chamber and brass. I understand this keep the head of the brass from contacting the face of the bolt (or reciever in this case i guess) to harshly."
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While the expansion of the case "may" help, it is my beilef (right or wrong) that headspace is the bigger culprit in how hard the brass smacks the bolt face or breach face.

In essence, if you have too much headspace, you are litterly moving the brass forward with the firing pin, then once the primer goes off firing the round, you are driving the brass backwards with a good bit of force.

The more headspace, the more violent the counter-force is and the more noticable the signs of "pressure" are noted.

I had a Colt Gov. Model in 9mm once that I got from a fella who had not shot it much at all...even gave me the rest of the box of ammo he purchased with the weapon. When I went to qualify with it as a duty weapon, I noticed that the primers were flattened so bad you COULD NOT distinguish where the primer ended and the brass cse started. It would also completely remove the chrome plating on the primers and ELIMINATE the headstamp markings on the brass where they stamped in the brass brand and caliber.

Come to find out, I did some comparing that night and discovered that the factory had reamed the barrel for 38 super auto and stamped it as 9mm. In round figures, the 38 super auto chamber is about 1/10" deeper than the 9mm.

Colt gladly replaced all the parts and even threw in a couple new clips as well.

Just my $0.02
 


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