New .17 Rem w/Pac-Nor Super Match Barrel for Silverfox

Silverfox

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Some of you probably remember that I purchased a Rem 700 ADL in .222 Rem a year ago this Christmas. This rifle was manufactured in 1975 and had not been used very much. I had always wanted a triple deuce and thought this should be a very accurate rifle. I tried, and tried, and tried to get it to shoot decent and couldn't. I had it rechambered and recrowned. It still wouldn't shoot decent. Then I bought one of those Limb Saver deresonater devices and slipped on the barrel. There was a tiny bit of improvement in group size, but not enough to make me happy.

Soooo---the action from the .222 Rem became the action for my new project gun which I took delivery of this afternoon. It has a #6 contour 24" stainless steel Super Match Grade Pac-Nor barrel on it. This is my first Pac-Nor barrel and I hope I didn't make a mistake going with Pac-Nor instead of Lilja, Shilen, or one of the other barrel makers. However, I really wanted a 3-groove barrel and Pac-Nor was the only barrel maker I found to offer this type of barrel. This barrel has a 1 in 9" twist to enable it to stabilize the 30 gr. projectiles. My gunsmith did the fluting on the barrel and also did a very neat looking swirl design on the rest of the barrel.

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I went 50/50 with my gunsmith on the purchase of a reamer from Dave Kiff at Pacific Tool with a .1945" neck, .0643" freebore , and 1.5º leade.

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I placed this barreled action in an H-S Varmint SA BDL stock. The stock is black with gray webbing in it. I will put a 9-13" leg notched Harris swivel bipod with on this rig and will install the Pod-Loc device on the bipod.

Here a pictures of the rifle. It is a terrible photo, but it's the only one I have so far.

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I purchased a new Sightron II 6.5-20x50mm side focus scope with the military dot reticle. This will be my first mil dot scope, so I have some learning to do to use it properly. I'll use Leupold bases with the windage adjustable one for the rear and the dove tail one for the front. The rings will be Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. They allow a klutz like me to mount a scope without getting ring marks on it!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

I have cleaned the barrel thoroughly and will probably mount the scope on it tomorrow. I have been FL resizing some once fired brass and then doing all the prep work on it which includes uniforming the primer pockets, deburring the flash holes, trimming to a uniform length and then deburring and chamfering the case neck. Then I use steel wool on a .17 caliber brush which I insert into my drill and clean up the inside of the casing neck. The next step is to run the K&M expandiron into each casing neck and then I turn the necks to approximatley .00985" in neck wall thickness. The last steps include swabbing out the inside of the casing necks with a Q-tip saturated with brake cleaner and then swabbing it again with a clean Q-tip. Then I resize the necks again with my Lee collet die.

With a bullet seated in these casings they measure .1915" OD and with the .1945" neck, this will give me .003" of clearance or .0015" on each side. Once I fireform these casings, I will be using a Redding Type S bushing die to neck size them. Once I start shooting this rifle, I may have to make some adjustments for neck tension, etc., but I look forward to the challenge of working up loads for the 25 gr. Hornady V-Max, the 30.8 gr. Hammett, and perhaps I'll give the 30 gr. Kindler Gold a try again.

I have 300 casings all worked up, neck turned, and ready to be loaded and fire formed, so I should be ready for long-range prairie doggin' this summer. This rifle and my .204 Ruger with the 39 gr. Sierras should make for a nice prairie dog battery. My son has kind of taken over my custom built .17 Remington with the Lilja barrel on it. I'm going to quit reloading for that one, so we'll see how he likes to do the work of reloading instead of old dad doing all the reloading, barrel cleaning, etc., etc., etc. I may get the .17 with the Lilja barrel back /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
If you could just give a few more details, Just kidding. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif With your knowledge and that much planning it should perform well for you. What does it weigh? I will be interested on updates of how it shoots. Good Luck
 
Hey, ole buddy, sorry to hear the deuce didn't work! (that's strange ???) But glad to hear that you're about to put the young-un to work !!! LOL! I'm tryin' to put mine to work, too !!!
Mark
 
tripod3--I haven't run it across the scale yet. I'll hang it on the scale I use to weigh coyotes tomorrow (if I remember). Whatever it weighs, I'll be more than happy to carry it though. It doesn't have the scope, bipod, and sling on it yet, so it feels way lighter than my other .17 Rem with the 26" Lilja barrel, H-S Precision thumbhole target stock, 6-24x Burris Signature scope & bipod.

Mark--my son is only 38 years old, so I don't know if I can teach him anything at this late stage or not. I know one thing, he will learn that when he runs out of ammo he'll be watching his Dad have all the fun with my .204 Ruger and my new .17 Remington /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
Silverfox-
Good Job! Looks great and I bet it will do you fine!! I had a feeling when I saw the .222 stuff for sale in the classified section that the old duece was getting a makeover. Take care! MH
 
Silverfox, If you would, will you please explain why you decided on the 3 groove barrel. I have also thought about rebarreling my 17 Rem. with a Pac Nor barrel. I also noticed that they offer the option of number of grooves. My question is how do you decide which groove option? What is the pros/cons in how many grooves your barrel has? The twist rate I understand that subject has been covered many times in many places but I still have yet to find an article or any piece of info to educate me on how many grooves would work best for me.
Tuco
 
Nice stick. I have 3 PacNor select match tubes and compete with them as well. Ifin you get a bad tube (as can happen with ANY manuf) they will replace it straight away, Chris is all about customer service.

That tube will make you happy for sure. The 1:10 30" 30cal tube on my light gun took a fair number of rounds to settle down, but when it did, it was like a light switch was turned on. Fouling is virtually nill in mine also.

That is one nice looking rig, I like those flutes.
 
Thanks to all of you for the nice comments on my new rifle. I got the scope on it today and it handles like a dream!!! Can't wait to get some test rounds loaded and do some range work with it.

tripod3--I just finished installing the bases, rings, and scope on the rifle and hung it up on my coyote-weighing scale (not the most accurate scale, to be sure) and it weighed just a tad under 9 pounds. I didn't have the bolt in it because I was bore sighting it too. That's way lighter than my Savage 12VLP which tipped the scales at 10 pounds with no scope, shells, etc., just the rifle!!!

Tuco--I have no experience with a 3-land/groove barrel, but have read that the lands in the throat area may be less susceptible to erosion. One report I read stated that the width of the lands on a 3-groove barrel are almost twice the width of a 5- to 7-groove barrel. Another point, is that barrels with fewer grooves are supposed to create less bullet distortion, but I can't swear to that theory. Another positive point someone mentioned was that they felt barrels with 3 lands improves bullet alignment when you’re seating bullets into the lands.

I'm sure there are many fellows out there who know a whole lot more about the "number of lands/grooves" issue than I and hopefully they will chime in here and "edumacate" us all! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

My .17 Remington Lilja barrel has 4 grooves, but I have no scientific data about erosion, bullet alignment, bullet distortion, etc. I just know that it was and is one heck of an accurate barrel. I'm sure, with a little coaxing and load development, this Pac-Nor barrel will be a tack-driving machine too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
9 lbs is not bad and should be stable too. giving up that Savage might be a good thing. I am looking at trying to trim a pound off my new AR that is just over 10 lbs complete. Fluting the barrel looks likely which you have already done. Sounds like shooting time is near. Really we are like kids when it comes to getting a new gun/toy.
 
tripod3--I'm NOT giving up the Savage 12VLP .204 Ruger at all. I will still be my main coyote rifle and it will also be sharing prairie dog shooting chores with the new .17 Remington on maybe a 50/50 basis. The .204 Ruger and the 39 gr. Sierra BlitzKings will be the combination to go to when the wind is whipping out in those prairie dog towns. Even the 30 gr. high BC bullets in the. 17 Remington won't match the 39 gr. Sierra for fighting the wind.

My gunsmith weighed my barrel before he fluted it and after the fluting was done and the flutes took off about .8 of a pound. That doesn't sound like much, but it will help on those looooooong walks through prairie dog towns. I believe I counted 6 of the 1/4" flutes on my barrel.
 
That is a real good looking rifle there Silverfox. Looks like my VSSF's. I have my BDL .17 being redone as we speak into a switch barrel configuration. Hope to put one of the new Kreiger .17 cal barrels on it pretty soon. It will look just like yours when it is done. I wished that I would have got one of the HS stocks in the sand color. I have one of them on my .270 WSM HB and it looks great!

Let us know how it shoots! Are you still shooting Vit powder in your .17? I have not had the chance to shoot any of the 25gr. V-Max's yet myself! Have 500 of them on my bench just looking at me.
 
Hey SF-- looked at an old Sightron catalog i have and it said that their mil-dot reticles are calibrated for highest magnification. Is that what yours is also?? That's the best way really IMO. Should be easy enuf to apply it like a ballistic reticle for long-range shooting. Oughtta be 3.4 MOA/dot down to 17 MOA to lower post. That oughtta get u out there a ways.

Nice rig. Also have a big Pac-Nor on an XP-100 7 twist 7-270 WSM, and love it. Very accurate, and surprisingly doesn't foul much even with the faster twist.
 
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SteveM--The only bullet I use VVN-540 with in my Lilja barreled .17 Rem is the 30 gr. Starke bullet. I get 3,900 fps muzzle velocity and it is deadly coyote medicine.

I tested Varget, H4198, and H4895 with the Hornady 25 gr. V-Max bullet early last fall. I didn't have a lot of range time with that bullet, but H4895 and Varget seemed fairly decent powders. A load of 24.3 gr. of Varget gave me 3,909 fps at 12 feet from the muzzle and nice tiny groups on September 18, 2005. But, then on September 19, that same load gave me a nice small group, but two of the four shots didn't give me any chronograph reading and the average velocity was only 3,735 fps at 12 feet from the muzzle!!!

The temperature was 60º on the 18th and 50º on the 20th, and Varget is supposed to be fairly temperature insensitive, so maybe some other condition was affecting the velocity. That much difference in velocity just didn't seem possible!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif BUT THEN I discovered a bonehead mistake I had made!!!! I always place a piece of masking tape over the metal slit in the housing that is above the electronic eyes to keep out dust, etc. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif I had forgotten to remove the tape before shooting over the chronograph with those shots!!! I am sure the velocity will be up in the 3,900 fps range the next time I run these loads over a chronograph--IF I remember to remove the tape!!!

The last time I tested my load of 23.0 gr. of H4895 was on Sept. 20th and I shot a 4-shot group that measured .298" and that gave me a muzzle velocity of 3,863 fps. The temperature during that string of shots was 52º. I loaded up 10 casings with that charge and shot some prairie dogs with it. There was some pretty good hang time with that load. I am going to try to boost the velocity a little bit for my Pac-Nor barreled rifle, if I can still maintain pinpoint accuracy.

brdeano--Thank you for the compliments on the rifle. Also, many thanks for the link for giving me some practice with the mil dot scope. I'll be trying that out.

sscoyote--There really wasn't any information about how to use the mil dot scope in the owner's manual that came with the scope. That was rather disappointing to me. I may contact Sightron to see if I can get some information about the mil dot system in their scopes. I'll visit their Web site first before I send them a nasty note!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif

I was really pleased with how smooth the inside of the barrel felt when I ran the cleaning patches through it--smooth as baby's bottom. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Hey Silverfox,

I enjoyed reading about all the work you put into your cases. I have found myself over the years, getting more and more consistent in case prep like you have done. I like the challenge myself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

You didn't mention that you were doing any annealing to your cases. It may make some of your work easier and give you longer case life. Todd Kindler sells a cool little nozzle that goes on a propane torch for annealing cases. I started doing it after reading about it in Small Caliber News. I did notice however, that the latest lot of brass I bought for my .17 Rem had already been annealed. So check for that obvious discoloration before doing a redundant operation. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I annealed some hornet brass and went to great lengths in culling cases by weight, etc. plus all the uniforming you mentioned and it really shrunk my groups. The hornet I have is one of the enigmatic Ruger 77VHZ's. Now that I have gone the extra 3 miles on case prep it now shoots good. It's close to stock with minimal chopping - recrowned, bedded & floated, trigger at 2.25#'s.

Sorry to run on. That's a great looking rig you got there. I always wanted to do the same kind of project for a calling gun. I love the selection of stocks HS makes available.

God bless,
Bluesman (JB)
 
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