New Mexico DGF what a pain

the impactzone

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going to take a trip to NM to do some work on a friends ranch, 16,000 Acers and was told to shoot every coyote we see after we install a new water pump and do some work on the vehicles, about a days worth of work so we have 5 days left to hunt coyotes and ride bikes.

My buddy wanting to be on the right side of the law checked with DGF on the use of NV gear, and was told at the time


"It is legal as long as you’re not spotlighting. You’d need to either be able to prove that you’re an agent of the landowner or have a use of artificial light permit to use a spotlight.
You will need a valid NM hunting license and the Habitat Management and Access Validation".

Chad Nelson
Information Center Supervisor
New Mexico Game & Fish

So NV vision and hunting coyotes at night was fine on private property with the owner present or a letter of authorization from the owner , but if using a IR light them we should get a artificial light permit $15 not a big deal

so he gets his license on line and I call and get mine and have a good conversation with Lisa Brejcha and receive this e-mail

Please find your attached license.
Have a great day and good luck!!!
Thank you,
Lisa Brejcha
Public Relations Coordinator
New Mexico Game & Fish

Lisa instructed me to contact Tish Mee about a artificial light permit, I do and she is short and rude with me telling me it is against the law to hunt coyotes at night and they have never issued a artificial light permit to just hunt coyotes ???? I explain to her that the land owner has livestock and game animals he wants protected she rudely responds that the state owns the wildlife not the land owner. and that the only exemption to the use of a artificial light was C.

17-2-31. Use of artificial light while hunting prohibited.

It is unlawful for a person or a group of persons together in possession or control of a firearm or other implement to throw or cast the rays of a spotlight or other artificial light into any field, pasture, woodland, forest or prairie where big game or domestic livestock may be, or are reasonably expected to be, whereby any big game animal or domestic animal could be killed by aid of an artificial light.

However, the following shall be exempt from the provisions of this section:

A . an officer authorized to enforce the game and livestock laws of the state;

B . a government employee acting in an official capacity;

C . a landowner or lessee or employee of such landowner or lessee, while on the land owned or leased in connection with legitimate activities;

D . a person who has received a permit or authorization from the department of game and fish to conduct such activities.

I thank her for her time, and my buddy gets another email

"I should amend my previous response: We don’t really issue these artificial light permits, unless there is a legitimate purpose like protecting livestock, etc. You won’t be able to get one just to hunt coyotes at night. Furthermore, I should tell you that hunting coyotes at night with a night-vision scope could be construed as negligent use of a firearm. That would depend on the officer’s interpretation of the negligent use statute. Because coyotes are unprotected, there’s nothing in our rules about legal hunting hours. However, legal hunting hours for cougar (and all other protected species) are ½ hour before sunrise to ½ hour after sunset

Chad Nelson
Information Center Supervisor
New Mexico Game & Fish



It really seems that NM does not want none residents coming to NM to hunt coyotes, yet they pay guys to shoot them from the air, if they made it more inviting for None residents they could collect more revenue in fees and licenses and may not have to pay for the aerial control ??

Going with letter in hand from the land owner with a list of the work that he wants done and specific instruction to protect his livestock at night from coyotes with the use of NV and lights and a fee to be paid for every coyote killed!

Sorry for the rant just seems to be a pain trying to do the right thing and they try and discourage you from a legal activity
 
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Welcome to NM, the Land of Mañana, where nothing is as easy as it seems. It seems there's nothing specifically prohibiting the use of NV (unless you're emitting light) or thermal, but there's nothing that specifically allows it either as far as I can tell. You might try contacting Tony Tebbe, who I believe has been sucessful in the past getting authorization to hunt at night in NM.
 
We were trying to get NV and Thermal legal in Colorado for coyotes.

We even went as far to do a citizen petition!

All 14 DOW Commissioners said - NO! It was a joke, we drove four hours (One Way) and our fate was already determined days before our hearing. DDW made the pitch which was flawless, he handed each commissioner a binder with color photos of his NV and Thermal equipment. Played a 10 minute Night Vision DVD courtesy of Kevin with High Tech Redneck. All to no avail......................

Bottom line in Colorado is that as long as you are an agent of the land and their is "Damage" you have every right to hunt at night on Private Property as long as you are an agent. I told the DOW that when you get into a car wreck you have "Damage". How long is that damage there? Until you fix it! Having permission already makes you an agent of said land. Public property NV and Thermal is forbidden, but, you can use a spotlight!

One thing we have done is had business cards made up for the landowners, on the back of the card is the exact statute that allows the use of NV and Thermal on Private Property for damage control.

Also, NV and Thermal is legal for the taking of Feral Hogs in Colorado! Never seen a Feral Hog but every time I go out at night I try calling one in. Coyotes have reacted, but, no Feral Hogs:)

Sorry to add to the rant IZ, but we feel your pain!!!!
 
I hunted with Tony for 4 nights in NM, all on private property, didn't think he would break the law being a guide and all and advertising night hunts.

don't even want to ask about suppressors LOL
 
State wildlife agencies that delegate taking coyotes and other "unprotected" species to the county governments is where the conflicts start. Suggest contacting the county government where the private land is located and get a copy of their ordinances for taking unprotected species.

 
What I think is the worst part of the run around that you are getting is that we all seem to get the same run around in all of our states..
If you don't like the answer you got, call back and see if you get a different one.

If that isn't bad enough, i have a permit to hunt on the indian reservation and one for a military base and they are all different..
The Base is the worst.. The paperwork and fee's almost makes it not worth the hassle.

Then Fish and Game wonders why numbers of sportsman is dropping.
 


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