Nikon Coyote Special

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How many of you are using a Coyote Special on your rifles?

I put one on my R-15 VTR and it has great clarity, but I cant seem to sight it in to my liking because of the BDC reticle(never use one until this scope). I took it out to the range and after making sure I was on paper, set up a Shoot N See target with six small targets on one sheet and noticed that my 100 yard ring exactly covers that 4" circle at 100 yards. I can get all of my shots to hit within the ring but cant seem to center them to make an actual group that I could say I am proud of (I am used to .5 MOA with my .204, and this is shooting about 1.5 MOA with the BDC).

I am wondering if I should temporarily adjust my scope's elevation to the next ring (since it is substantially smaller and begin trying to group off of that, and then once I get something that I am satisfied with adjust back to the 100 yard BDC.

Any thoughts?
 
Had one and sold it within 2 months. Yes it was a good scope. never had problems with sighting it in. was able to put 3 shots in a 1in bullseye at 200 yards. it was the bdc that didnt work for me. i was shooting a 40gr vmax because the 55gr didnt group at all for me. so when i shot at a fox at 350 yards and held that 2nd circle on it i missed 2 times. i like cross hairs a lot better. put a bushnell elite 3200 5-15x and i have no problem shooting a beer bottle from 100-426 yards. and my gun is a 22-250.
 
If you can center the bull in the reticle you should shoot pretty good groups. You didn't buy that scope to be a paper puncher. If you seriously think that the reticle is the problem take the scope off your 204 and shoot the AR with your 204 scope. You might not have a .5" AR.

I usually sight my little 24V in at 200yrds with an old Weaver V-3 by just quarterring a sheet of paper(center hold) and it works just fine thats about the size of a coyotes chest I can keep 3 in a 3" circle that makes this a 300yrd calling rifle.

AWS

 
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No, don't adjust the scope. Change targets. Try one with a smaller center dot, under 2 inches. You will finder much easier to center the dot on the reticle that way. The scope takes a little getting used to. That change should get you down to the 1/2 inch groups you are used to. It worked for me.
 
The two groups in the middle bull were shot using a 3-9 Nikon Coyote and the circle on this target is perfect for centering.I think the target is still here somehwere on the PM website I will have to look around to find it.
You should not have any trouble getting MOA groups if the gun/load/shooter is capable.

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It really shines on critters.
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Originally Posted By: venatic
You should not have any trouble getting MOA groups if the gun/load/shooter is capable.


I agree that the variables you listed are 100% valid, and each can play an enormous role in getting the accuracy you want out of your rifle. But I think my biggest struggle is getting it to sight in to my liking. Having such a large area covered at 100 yards must play tricks with my brain because I shoot the same way I would with any other AR I have owned but I cant seem to get the grouping I would hope for. I think that using a conventional crosshair is easier for me personally because it takes the guess work out of that 4" circle I mentioned.

BUT I really like the "idea" of the scope for quick follow up shots if I am ever lucky enough to call in a double or triple.

BTW: that is a cool target you posted there. What are the paper dimensions? Just the standard 8.5x11?

Originally Posted By: P SideNo, don't adjust the scope. Change targets. Try one with a smaller center dot, under 2 inches. You will finder much easier to center the dot on the reticle that way. The scope takes a little getting used to. That change should get you down to the 1/2 inch groups you are used to. It worked for me.

I think you are giving some good advice. Maybe this will help me with the mental tricks this type of reticle is playing with my head.

Originally Posted By: AWSIf you can center the bull in the reticle you should shoot pretty good groups. You didn't buy that scope to be a paper puncher. If you seriously think that the reticle is the problem take the scope off your 204 and shoot the AR with your 204 scope. You might not have a .5" AR.


Agreed. I didnt buy it to be a paper puncher, but I still hope for something a little more "on the money" and it could well be that I havent found a load for this specific rifle that works well yet. I have shot about 5 different loads out of it, and can see some shoot better than others, but it will still take some tweaking to get it just right.

As far as taking my scope off my .204, it isnt something that I would like to do because I shoot it far too often for it to be of benefit (gotta shoot them p-dogs!) and it is a pretty high powered 6.5-20 VX-III that wouldnt be much fun for calling.




Thanks for all of your input guys. I will have to keep playing around with it and then post my results (once I figure out how you post pictures on this forum)
 
i am also thinking of getting one of these, any light you guys can shed would be good

on the target you have, with the 14 power all the way up how is it centered? how much between the ring and the green ?

venatic i have had those targets saved on my desktop for a year i think i print them and use them often lol
 
another thing i didnt like about it was when calling at night under a full moon with snow on the ground it is really hard to see the circle reticle.
 
i was thinking, if this scope had a target dot in the center of the circle it would be close to perfect and if it would illuminate just the dot it would be perfect
 
I was suggesting that you use the 204 scope just to test the rifle to see if the problem was the rifle or the scope reticle then put it back on the 204.

AWS
 
Originally Posted By: AWSI was suggesting that you use the 204 scope just to test the rifle to see if the problem was the rifle or the scope reticle then put it back on the 204.

AWS

Oh! Now that I re-read your post, I understand what you meant. I have a Buckmaster scope that I can test it with. Good point
 
Bought one sighted it in missed first 2 coyotes 200yrds and under, was so mad i almost wrapped it around a tree, Came home pulled it off and sold it, Went to Bushnell Elite 5x15x40, I own 4 Nikons w Nikoplex will never buy another BDC retical again.
 
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I just went and sighted mine in. I have the 4.5x14 and at 100 yards a 3 inch circle works great for me. I had maybe a 3/4 inch three shot group. I just wish I had gone with the black instead of the max1 to match my tika better!! Anyone want to trade!!!???
 
I have one and love it. Mine is the 3 by 9
I just used it on my 6 by 45 in the world contest where we took second place. The scope allows me to get on a coyote quick, with very quick follow up shots if needed.
We had a couple coyotes go into a spin after being shot. This scope allowed me to get back on target very quick and get the coyote down. At least that is my experience, I cant see me hunting coyotes with any other scope. I love it for what it was designed to do.
 
I have both the 3-9 and the 4.5-14. I really like them both.

The open circle lets me "hard stare" a spot on the target as I do when shooting sporting clays. The circle seems to center right up without much thought.

Works well for me on targets too. Shot this group yesterday morning @ 100 with my 223 Encore.

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The center circle is 3 moa across so it should line up with a 3 inch target at 100 yds and a 6 inch target at 200 yds. Since using mine I actually have a hard time using other reticles now because it feels like the reticle is covering up the target I'm trying to shoot.


Originally Posted By: 1badsheeHow did the scope cause you to miss?

LOL, I was really trying hard not to comment on that...really. Thanks for doing it for me.
 
I have the 3-9 on a Savage Predator and I have had really good luck with mine.My best shot so far was a bobcat crouching looking directly at me at about 75yds. I centered his little black nose in the circle and the 52gr Berger entered directly under his nose and went on to lodge under his right hip. The reason he was looking at me was I had been watching him stare at the decoy and a hard charging coyote came from the other direction so I swung around dropped him jacked another round and got back on the cat so he saw the movement and crouched looking at me.... he should have left.
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