No tip Ballistic Tip!

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coleridge

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I was wondering if anyone had any experience on game shot with a pulled ballistic tip? Not sure if many people have tried it, but you can pull the tip from a Nosler or a Vmax with a pair of pliers. It leaves what appears as a large hollow point (that’s really all it is). I can only assume this would render expansion on game similar to hp & possibly slow the expansion of the BT ever so slightly compared to its intended design.

What I am truly after is a shorter bullet to load in an AR-15 6x45. With the tip gone, I can seat the bullet farther out (several benefits) & still make mag length. I do realize this will reduce the bullet BC but have no worries with that concern.

So does anyone have any experience with terminal results of either these bullets with no “tip”???
 
I think it is OT that gets factory seconds Sierra Blotz bullets and he said they shoot just the same. How much does 1 tip weigh? Can't be much. You probably have more deviation I'm weights of the projo then the BT would weigh!?!?!??
 
I have not shot the bt without the tip but I would suggest you look at the 60gr Sierra HP.

I also have 1000 of the Nosler 55gr roo bullets that I may be looking to sell. At 243 velocities they are finicky but out of the 6x45 they would be outstanding.
 
Thanks for the replies so far. Yes I am aware of the 60 & it shoots good but I really want to shoot the 70 (one that is not a match bullet). The TNT did not shoot well.

Also, I want to clarify I'm in no way trying to invent a "better" bullet. Just bring the ogive further up...

I'm sure someone has tried it before... Any experience with game would be appriciatted.

Thanks
 
I buy "seconds" at Sierra in Sedalia and some have the tips inserted upside down.. I've shot them with the tip that way and out to 150 yards, you see very little difference in accuracy...After 150, it does seem to affect it.. I generally will pull them out, or break them off even with the end of the bullet, just for that reason..

Out of approximately 850 bullets in one purchase, I culled out less than two dozen that were needing attention in that respect,, most were just discolored and looked a little 'funky'...but they shoot really well..

In fact, I have to go down that way tomorrow and will probably call ahead to see if they have any 39gr .204s in their 'factory' store...as they have to be purchased in person..They are less expensive than buying "perfect" ones in the retail outlets...
 
Originally Posted By: zillaPulling a tip seems redundant to me.. Just buy a hollow point bullet.

Cause Nosler don't offer a 70gr HP. Nor does Sierra, Hornaday, or Berger (that is not a match bullet). Plus, that one paticular bullet shoots VERY well lenthened a bit in my AR (shoots pretty dang good with tip in @ mag lenth). Better than the 75gr Sierra HP that I have tried, shot & killed several things with.

Looks like I'll just have to try on some critters myself. They shoot the exact same (with the tip gone) by the way...
 
my buddy at Hornady told me the other day that if you pull that tip out it will act like an armor piercing round and penetrate steel plates instead of splattering on target. Havent tried it yet but he has since he works in the lab. His name is actually in the new manual along with two others he works with(on one of the first pages)
 
Originally Posted By: NWMOKeithmy buddy at Hornady told me the other day that if you pull that tip out it will act like an armor piercing round and penetrate steel plates instead of splattering on target. Havent tried it yet but he has since he works in the lab. His name is actually in the new manual along with two others he works with(on one of the first pages)

From personal experience I can tell you a 55gr vmax as it comes out of the box will shoot straight through a 1/2" steel pistol target rated for "up to 44mag". Didn't even swing it...
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Thanks for the coments guys. If anyone else has any experience I would like to hear.
 
Could you try sanding the tip down even with the end of the bullet? Then you would already know how it would work on game because all you would be doing was removing the point it would still impact the same wouldnt it?
 
I've tried it with the tip removed. Shoots exact same POI. Sure it would with filed tip also. Filing/sanding the point blunt would work & is an option. It's just MUCH easier to yank it out with the quickness... I don't have to worry about degrading the jacket that way either.

If the terminal performance isn't similar to what I'm getting with original, I'll start filing blunt & try that.
 
I feel like a Bandit...I went to the Sierra "Factory Store" today to pick up some .224 50gr SBKs and some .204 39gr SBKs, since I was down to 11 bullets left for my .204...

Due to the normal clerk being on an extra day off and the manager being 15 minutes late returning from her lunch break, I had to wait to make the purchase...

I ordered four pounds of the 39gr and "since they look so bad", and we had to wait in the sun, the manager upped it to 5.5 pounds for the price of four..($74.98) and I ordered one pound of the 50gr and she upped it to 1.5 pounds..($14.95)

When computed out to 7000 grains = 1 lb, that gives me 210 bullets in the 50gr and 987 bullets in the 39gr..When I looked up the retail for #1 quality at Graf & Sons, that's $124.98 for 600 rounds (500 of 39gr & 100 of 50gr) and I wound up with 1197 rounds for $94.xx, including tax..

I spread out the 50gr bullets when I got home this evening and started culling out the obviously "bad" rounds on a quick skim and moved them to the right in the pic below..Not really a bad percentage, and they will still shoot pretty well when I break off, or pull, the ones that are in backwards..

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Next is a closer shot of the "bad" ones that will need a little attention.. You can see that some have the tip in upside down and some are just extremely short (will shoot fine)

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The next is what the 39gr look like, but I haven't taken time to skim through them yet, but it appears that the ratio of culls will be quite a bit lower than the 50s..

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Somehow the date stamp on my camera got screwed up..
 
I have a sierra 'jacket' on the bench I got in a box of bullets. It was just the jacket, there was no lead in it AT ALL. Wonder if I should call em?
 
Originally Posted By: OldTurtleI feel like a Bandit...I went to the Sierra "Factory Store" today to pick up some .224 50gr SBKs and some .204 39gr SBKs, since I was down to 11 bullets left for my .204...

Due to the normal clerk being on an extra day off and the manager being 15 minutes late returning from her lunch break, I had to wait to make the purchase...

I ordered four pounds of the 39gr and "since they look so bad", and we had to wait in the sun, the manager upped it to 5.5 pounds for the price of four..($74.98) and I ordered one pound of the 50gr and she upped it to 1.5 pounds..($14.95)

When computed out to 7000 grains = 1 lb, that gives me 210 bullets in the 50gr and 987 bullets in the 39gr..When I looked up the retail for #1 quality at Graf & Sons, that's $124.98 for 600 rounds (500 of 39gr & 100 of 50gr) and I wound up with 1197 rounds for $94.xx, including tax..

I spread out the 50gr bullets when I got home this evening and started culling out the obviously "bad" rounds on a quick skim and moved them to the right in the pic below..Not really a bad percentage, and they will still shoot pretty well when I break off, or pull, the ones that are in backwards..

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Next is a closer shot of the "bad" ones that will need a little attention.. You can see that some have the tip in upside down and some are just extremely short (will shoot fine)

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The next is what the 39gr look like, but I haven't taken time to skim through them yet, but it appears that the ratio of culls will be quite a bit lower than the 50s..

012.jpg


Somehow the date stamp on my camera got screwed up..

what a score! I need some 39gr .204 bullets rp
 
Originally Posted By: NWMOKeithmy buddy at Hornady told me the other day that if you pull that tip out it will act like an armor piercing round and penetrate steel plates instead of splattering on target. Havent tried it yet but he has since he works in the lab. His name is actually in the new manual along with two others he works with(on one of the first pages)

Not sure how that would be possible. It would act more like a standard hollow point.
 
Originally Posted By: reb8600Originally Posted By: NWMOKeithmy buddy at Hornady told me the other day that if you pull that tip out it will act like an armor piercing round and penetrate steel plates instead of splattering on target. Havent tried it yet but he has since he works in the lab. His name is actually in the new manual along with two others he works with(on one of the first pages)

Not sure how that would be possible. It would act more like a standard hollow point.

Didn't want to call the man out... but that is exactly what I thought/think. The statment about the steel I made was just to state that just cause it will shoot through steel doesn't mean it acts "armor peircing"...

With the amount of blood from the dog this morning, coming out of the mouth and pool it was in (I moved it to take a pic) I'm pretty sure the bullet is not acting "armor peircing"...
 


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