Just checked with Ontario MNR (Sault Ste. Marie District) on whether new wolf hunting regulations are in effect yet. THEY ARE !!! To hunt wolves in N.E. Area, you need a Small Game License ($90) and a Wolf Tag ($250 ea.) for non-residents. You are allowed up to (2) Wolf Tags. This new regulation is in effect NOW. Looks like my hunt with a buddy in Area 37 in late Feb. or March is going to cost more than I expected!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif
Ontario Wolf License
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And if you can Believe it our Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters sold us down the river on this one. They actually agreed to this crap.
All this is going to lead to is more wolves left in the bush to rot. Kinda the same thing that happens to bears now that the spring season is closed.
All this is going to lead to is more wolves left in the bush to rot. Kinda the same thing that happens to bears now that the spring season is closed.
The wolf license only aplies to areas around Algonqiun park and they are listed in the reg. book.
These regulations wear put in place for the red wolf,witch until a few years ago was thaught to be extinct. Then a small population was located in Algonqiun park.
So if protecting an indangered species for future generations is considered selling us down the river THEN SELL ON !
Anyone who would shoot an animal and let it rot because they were told not to, needs to do some growing up. This also why they are not in the ranks of people deciding the future of our wild places and things.
Unfortunatly their actions reflect on all hunters as a group, so if you know someone that does this it is your responsability to report them or at least confront them.
If you have a bear problem, simply contact the MNR and they will give you some choices. One of which is to destroy the bear and make use of it, not let it rot. Second choice is to have it live trapped and removed.
I will agree with the fact that the spring bear hunt should be brought back, and will if we continue with well planned arguments directed at the correct people.
Don't forget it was the type of hunter that would "spite kill" a animal that lost our hunt by shooting sow's with cubs that gave animal right groups the ammo needed to take us out!
These regulations wear put in place for the red wolf,witch until a few years ago was thaught to be extinct. Then a small population was located in Algonqiun park.
So if protecting an indangered species for future generations is considered selling us down the river THEN SELL ON !
Anyone who would shoot an animal and let it rot because they were told not to, needs to do some growing up. This also why they are not in the ranks of people deciding the future of our wild places and things.
Unfortunatly their actions reflect on all hunters as a group, so if you know someone that does this it is your responsability to report them or at least confront them.
If you have a bear problem, simply contact the MNR and they will give you some choices. One of which is to destroy the bear and make use of it, not let it rot. Second choice is to have it live trapped and removed.
I will agree with the fact that the spring bear hunt should be brought back, and will if we continue with well planned arguments directed at the correct people.
Don't forget it was the type of hunter that would "spite kill" a animal that lost our hunt by shooting sow's with cubs that gave animal right groups the ammo needed to take us out!
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The wolf license only aplies to areas around Algonqiun park and they are listed in the reg. book.
Wrong!!!, Tags are required in a ll of northern ontario with an all out ban near the park.
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These regulations wear put in place for the red wolf,witch until a few years ago was thaught to be extinct. Then a small population was located in Algonqiun park.
Wrong!!! The tree huggers have yet to prove the wolves in the park are anythig more than regular grey wolves. This distinct species stuff is based on junk science. If distinct means hy-brid, than they might be that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wolf
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Anyone who would shoot an animal and let it rot because they were told not to, needs to do some growing up. This also why they are not in the ranks of people deciding the future of our wild places and things.
Your right, that should be left up to computer biologist from the Greater Toronto area.
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Unfortunatly their actions reflect on all hunters as a group, so if you know someone that does this it is your responsability to report them or at least confront them.
The Ministry is putting the moose and caribou herds in jeporady by restricting locals from controlling the wolf population......Its about whats right not what is the law in this case
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If you have a bear problem, simply contact the MNR and they will give you some choices. One of which is to destroy the bear and make use of it, not let it rot. Second choice is to have it live trapped and removed.
Right /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif, Where are they going to move it to if everywhere has a bear problem.
If you report destroying a nuicance bear you are going to get more trouble than want. CO's inforce the law, not common sense in situations, thats their job.
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Don't forget it was the type of hunter that would "spite kill" a animal that lost our hunt by shooting sow's with cubs that gave animal right groups the ammo needed to take us out!
I dont believe thats why the hutn was lost, but I see your point. Its well known that there are more sows killed in the fall hunt than there ever where in the spring hunt. Simply sue to the fact the cubs are a little further rangin from thier mother by the fall. Giving the hunter a look at a single bear. And the cubs arent nearly as cute anymore so the anti's have a hard time using emotion to fuel thier campaign.
The wolf license only aplies to areas around Algonqiun park and they are listed in the reg. book.
Wrong!!!, Tags are required in a ll of northern ontario with an all out ban near the park.
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These regulations wear put in place for the red wolf,witch until a few years ago was thaught to be extinct. Then a small population was located in Algonqiun park.
Wrong!!! The tree huggers have yet to prove the wolves in the park are anythig more than regular grey wolves. This distinct species stuff is based on junk science. If distinct means hy-brid, than they might be that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wolf
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Anyone who would shoot an animal and let it rot because they were told not to, needs to do some growing up. This also why they are not in the ranks of people deciding the future of our wild places and things.
Your right, that should be left up to computer biologist from the Greater Toronto area.
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Unfortunatly their actions reflect on all hunters as a group, so if you know someone that does this it is your responsability to report them or at least confront them.
The Ministry is putting the moose and caribou herds in jeporady by restricting locals from controlling the wolf population......Its about whats right not what is the law in this case
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If you have a bear problem, simply contact the MNR and they will give you some choices. One of which is to destroy the bear and make use of it, not let it rot. Second choice is to have it live trapped and removed.
Right /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif, Where are they going to move it to if everywhere has a bear problem.
If you report destroying a nuicance bear you are going to get more trouble than want. CO's inforce the law, not common sense in situations, thats their job.
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Don't forget it was the type of hunter that would "spite kill" a animal that lost our hunt by shooting sow's with cubs that gave animal right groups the ammo needed to take us out!
I dont believe thats why the hutn was lost, but I see your point. Its well known that there are more sows killed in the fall hunt than there ever where in the spring hunt. Simply sue to the fact the cubs are a little further rangin from thier mother by the fall. Giving the hunter a look at a single bear. And the cubs arent nearly as cute anymore so the anti's have a hard time using emotion to fuel thier campaign.
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As far as area's that require a wolf licence the only ones noted in my regulation book is around the park, and the closed season is only between april 1 to sept. 14 in wmu's 1-42,46-50 and 53-58. But you my have better info for your area. In other words I will not argue the point because I could be wrong.
But the red wolf has been identified through dna, the problem lies with the pack being so small,that some reds have cross bread with yotes. They may be doomed anyway. So why not give them a chance.
Question for you:
Why must everyone who cares about the future of a animal species be a TREE HUGGER. I have hunted and fished my hole life ,am I a tree hunger for caring about a species. Does that make the "rocky mountain elk foundation" tree huggers, or "ducks unlimited" etc.etc.
If not for these groups we would have no turkey, elk, and a low duck population.
On your third point I did not know a computer had biology,I thought they were made up of wires and circuit boards.LOL. Just kidding.
But seriously you have the wrong picture of a bioligest. Most that I have met and dealt with are hunters. And all of them understand the importance of hunting to control the herds as well as its social importance to rural Canada.
I beleive you are mixing politics and biology. A politition generaly does what he/she needs to for survive and gather the popular vote(hunters only account for about 10% of the vote).
The biologist does what he/she needs to, for the animal to survive(most biologists spend more time in the bush then us hunters).
As far as wolves devistating caribou herds.You and I pay the oil companies to do that.
FACT: even a large wolf pack can only kill 15 to 20 adult caribou a year, and to date all kills studied(studies number in the hundreds,since the early 70's) have been
either desized animals or previously injured.
FACT: wolves do target the young in calf season but mother nature ensures that they are all born at about the same time so the wolves can't eat them all.
Now about the moose. Yes wolves can and do take alot of moose calves, but no where near the 10's of 1000's the sport hunters take. We hunt for sport not survival,so why not cut back on calves and have a healthy population of both moose and wolves.
A salution could be to issue some extra spike bull tags to allow calves to mature. Then weed out the extra bulls and leave the cows.
Besides bears are the main problem when it comes to moose calve( next to us ).
This brings us to the nucince bears. A bear in your yard is a nucince bear ,that can be dangerous. A bear in the woods behind your house is a bear in his home.
Yes I agree live trapping a bad bear is a bad idea. You are just shoving a problem onto someone elses doorstep. But it is the MUCH lesser of two evils if the other is letting a good animal rot!
Yes you are right about reporting the killing of a nucince bear.The mnr will hassel you . You should report the problem first then take action if the bear returns. Because if it truly is a bad bear it will be back( the exception is if the bear is attacking livestock or trying to enter your home).
Then you are well within your rights to protect your family,home and livestock. This july I personaly shot a nucince bear with little more then a grumbal from the mnr.
Know your rights, make educated decisions and things will always work out. Just PLEASE don't let a fine creature rot.
If you don't eat bear find someone who does before you take the animals. personally I think bear makes a good sausage or burger, just make sure you remove all the outer fat because it has a nasty flavor.
There are more bears shot in the fall hunt because they are shot by dear hunters that have hardly seen a bear. An experienced bear hunter can identify a sow 99% of the time its only a newbee That gets in a hurry that usualy makes a mistake.
To fix this close bear season for the one or two weeks of deer(rifle) and all bear hunters should have to hunt a bait until they have taken a certain number of bears.
A bait allows a hunter time to examine the bear before the harvest.
Yes I do agree that there is no difference between shooting a sow in the spring or the fall, unless the cubs are two years old they stand little chance.
We also agree that the spring hunt should be brought back, and it might happen , but not reporting nucince bears will not help the cause!
Trickster
But the red wolf has been identified through dna, the problem lies with the pack being so small,that some reds have cross bread with yotes. They may be doomed anyway. So why not give them a chance.
Question for you:
Why must everyone who cares about the future of a animal species be a TREE HUGGER. I have hunted and fished my hole life ,am I a tree hunger for caring about a species. Does that make the "rocky mountain elk foundation" tree huggers, or "ducks unlimited" etc.etc.
If not for these groups we would have no turkey, elk, and a low duck population.
On your third point I did not know a computer had biology,I thought they were made up of wires and circuit boards.LOL. Just kidding.
But seriously you have the wrong picture of a bioligest. Most that I have met and dealt with are hunters. And all of them understand the importance of hunting to control the herds as well as its social importance to rural Canada.
I beleive you are mixing politics and biology. A politition generaly does what he/she needs to for survive and gather the popular vote(hunters only account for about 10% of the vote).
The biologist does what he/she needs to, for the animal to survive(most biologists spend more time in the bush then us hunters).
As far as wolves devistating caribou herds.You and I pay the oil companies to do that.
FACT: even a large wolf pack can only kill 15 to 20 adult caribou a year, and to date all kills studied(studies number in the hundreds,since the early 70's) have been
either desized animals or previously injured.
FACT: wolves do target the young in calf season but mother nature ensures that they are all born at about the same time so the wolves can't eat them all.
Now about the moose. Yes wolves can and do take alot of moose calves, but no where near the 10's of 1000's the sport hunters take. We hunt for sport not survival,so why not cut back on calves and have a healthy population of both moose and wolves.
A salution could be to issue some extra spike bull tags to allow calves to mature. Then weed out the extra bulls and leave the cows.
Besides bears are the main problem when it comes to moose calve( next to us ).
This brings us to the nucince bears. A bear in your yard is a nucince bear ,that can be dangerous. A bear in the woods behind your house is a bear in his home.
Yes I agree live trapping a bad bear is a bad idea. You are just shoving a problem onto someone elses doorstep. But it is the MUCH lesser of two evils if the other is letting a good animal rot!
Yes you are right about reporting the killing of a nucince bear.The mnr will hassel you . You should report the problem first then take action if the bear returns. Because if it truly is a bad bear it will be back( the exception is if the bear is attacking livestock or trying to enter your home).
Then you are well within your rights to protect your family,home and livestock. This july I personaly shot a nucince bear with little more then a grumbal from the mnr.
Know your rights, make educated decisions and things will always work out. Just PLEASE don't let a fine creature rot.
If you don't eat bear find someone who does before you take the animals. personally I think bear makes a good sausage or burger, just make sure you remove all the outer fat because it has a nasty flavor.
There are more bears shot in the fall hunt because they are shot by dear hunters that have hardly seen a bear. An experienced bear hunter can identify a sow 99% of the time its only a newbee That gets in a hurry that usualy makes a mistake.
To fix this close bear season for the one or two weeks of deer(rifle) and all bear hunters should have to hunt a bait until they have taken a certain number of bears.
A bait allows a hunter time to examine the bear before the harvest.
Yes I do agree that there is no difference between shooting a sow in the spring or the fall, unless the cubs are two years old they stand little chance.
We also agree that the spring hunt should be brought back, and it might happen , but not reporting nucince bears will not help the cause!
Trickster
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NorOnt
I'm sorry you see me as a weak minded person, that is your perogative. Even if you are right,you and others that oppose my opinions should consider that your worlds be equally small and uninformed. Maybe there is somewhere in the middle where a consensis can be found.
Don't mistake my respect for all animals as a sign of a animal rights extremist. I'm as hard core hunter as anyone you will find 24/7, it's what I live for.
But if we want to keep our hunting rights we have to be smart, by playing a role in the decision making and not giving the animal rights extremist ammo.
I may not make sense to you, but hunters are a minority and hunting is not truly a right,it is a privilege that the government can take away. All the noisy protests in the world won't get us any farther then when we tried to stop gun registration .
My own friends thought I was blowing hot air when I said "if bear hunters as a group do not clean up our act the spring hunt will be gone". They all said no way there will be to much revenue lost and it would tick off too many voters.
I was right then and I am right now,If hunters as a group don't also become environmentalists and work with bioligists we will be extinct. Unfortunately (in Canada )that is the reality check!
Enough of the bickering thats not why I come to this site anyways, and I doubt we will change many minds or save the world by arguing.
Personally I would rather hear some hunting tactics and get to know some fellow hunters here in Ont.
trickster /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I'm sorry you see me as a weak minded person, that is your perogative. Even if you are right,you and others that oppose my opinions should consider that your worlds be equally small and uninformed. Maybe there is somewhere in the middle where a consensis can be found.
Don't mistake my respect for all animals as a sign of a animal rights extremist. I'm as hard core hunter as anyone you will find 24/7, it's what I live for.
But if we want to keep our hunting rights we have to be smart, by playing a role in the decision making and not giving the animal rights extremist ammo.
I may not make sense to you, but hunters are a minority and hunting is not truly a right,it is a privilege that the government can take away. All the noisy protests in the world won't get us any farther then when we tried to stop gun registration .
My own friends thought I was blowing hot air when I said "if bear hunters as a group do not clean up our act the spring hunt will be gone". They all said no way there will be to much revenue lost and it would tick off too many voters.
I was right then and I am right now,If hunters as a group don't also become environmentalists and work with bioligists we will be extinct. Unfortunately (in Canada )that is the reality check!
Enough of the bickering thats not why I come to this site anyways, and I doubt we will change many minds or save the world by arguing.
Personally I would rather hear some hunting tactics and get to know some fellow hunters here in Ont.
trickster /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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My own friends thought I was blowing hot air when I said "if bear hunters as a group do not clean up our act the spring hunt will be gone".
If you think that hunters are responsible for the loss of the spring bear hunt you really are uninformed, and if you had any idea how many nuisance bears are now shot and left to rot in the woods because of the animal rights groups work in swaying political leaders with money and feeding the uninformed public lies ..... you would probably cry. The numbers are astounding.
The red wolf lies are all part of the same propaganda machine.
My own friends thought I was blowing hot air when I said "if bear hunters as a group do not clean up our act the spring hunt will be gone".
If you think that hunters are responsible for the loss of the spring bear hunt you really are uninformed, and if you had any idea how many nuisance bears are now shot and left to rot in the woods because of the animal rights groups work in swaying political leaders with money and feeding the uninformed public lies ..... you would probably cry. The numbers are astounding.
The red wolf lies are all part of the same propaganda machine.
NorOnt
What is the alternative to my segestions. Kill all wolves and bears. That would show them.
Yes I agree 110%.The animal rights groups do spend a lot of time and money(sometimes that is there sole purpose in life) convincing the goverment that we are monsters.
That is my point,lets not go out of our way to look like monsters. Hunters shooting sows and leaving cubs was not the only reason we lost the spring hunt,but you have to admitt it did not help.
The main reason we lost our hunt is to lack of invalvement in the proses.Not to sound corny but fight fire with fire.
Speek to local parlement have by laws put in place to over ride federal law. We could take the hunt back one twshp at a time. Infact how many people do you know that even vote. When I said only 10% of the voters were hunters I ment 10% of the people that vote.Please don't come back with they will just do what they want anyways because that is the atittude I'm talking about.
Why don't we start a hunters union of sorts. Hire lawyers premote hunting to youth,hunter scholerships or maybe come up with better ideas then mine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
The states hunters don't have half the problems we do because they always challenge is force,instead of arguing the same point on a web page.
Yes it does bother me very much to hear of animals being wasted,I don't care who you are that is ethicly and moraly wrong.
Why not make the MNR get off there butts and deal with the problem. Every bear someone shoots and leaves is one less problem for them.
Maybe we should shoot them and drop them at an MNR office to get them checked for rabbies,they could not deny that.lol.
Thats fun to joke about but it would not help and give the animal rights folks more ammo.
What area are you from?
I'm from sharbot lake 100km north of Kinston.
PS: you won't change my mind about the red wolf I have woked with them, so lets agree to dissagree.
What is the alternative to my segestions. Kill all wolves and bears. That would show them.
Yes I agree 110%.The animal rights groups do spend a lot of time and money(sometimes that is there sole purpose in life) convincing the goverment that we are monsters.
That is my point,lets not go out of our way to look like monsters. Hunters shooting sows and leaving cubs was not the only reason we lost the spring hunt,but you have to admitt it did not help.
The main reason we lost our hunt is to lack of invalvement in the proses.Not to sound corny but fight fire with fire.
Speek to local parlement have by laws put in place to over ride federal law. We could take the hunt back one twshp at a time. Infact how many people do you know that even vote. When I said only 10% of the voters were hunters I ment 10% of the people that vote.Please don't come back with they will just do what they want anyways because that is the atittude I'm talking about.
Why don't we start a hunters union of sorts. Hire lawyers premote hunting to youth,hunter scholerships or maybe come up with better ideas then mine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
The states hunters don't have half the problems we do because they always challenge is force,instead of arguing the same point on a web page.
Yes it does bother me very much to hear of animals being wasted,I don't care who you are that is ethicly and moraly wrong.
Why not make the MNR get off there butts and deal with the problem. Every bear someone shoots and leaves is one less problem for them.
Maybe we should shoot them and drop them at an MNR office to get them checked for rabbies,they could not deny that.lol.
Thats fun to joke about but it would not help and give the animal rights folks more ammo.
What area are you from?
I'm from sharbot lake 100km north of Kinston.
PS: you won't change my mind about the red wolf I have woked with them, so lets agree to dissagree.
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Your right, that should be left up to computer biologist
I wonder if a brain surgeon or an electrician comes across as many people that know more about their profession than do? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Every notice how a lot of people seem to think they know more thant the biologist? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
If you think that everything that comes down the pike when it comes to regulations originated with the biologist, then you really don't have a clue. I can tell you for a fact, and experience that a high percentage is more politics than biology.
Most biologist are gov't employees. That alone should tell you something. You're gripe shouldn't be with the biologists.
There are two types of people: your either part of the solution, or you are part of the problem.
You can cut off your nose to spite your face, but then you have to walk around with no nose and look all stupid. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Your right, that should be left up to computer biologist
I wonder if a brain surgeon or an electrician comes across as many people that know more about their profession than do? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Every notice how a lot of people seem to think they know more thant the biologist? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
If you think that everything that comes down the pike when it comes to regulations originated with the biologist, then you really don't have a clue. I can tell you for a fact, and experience that a high percentage is more politics than biology.
Most biologist are gov't employees. That alone should tell you something. You're gripe shouldn't be with the biologists.
There are two types of people: your either part of the solution, or you are part of the problem.
You can cut off your nose to spite your face, but then you have to walk around with no nose and look all stupid. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Most biologist are gov't employees. That alone should tell you something. You're gripe shouldn't be with the biologists.
My gripe is not with all biologist of course but it is definetely with this group of biologist. Time after time they come up with evidence based on garbage science to support thier political masters anti-hunting agenda. absolutely ignoring valid data because it doesnt support your biased position makes for some bad decisions.
Any job applicants with common sense or stong ethics is turned away from the MNR fish and wildlife branch. (except CO's, we have some good ones)
Most biologist are gov't employees. That alone should tell you something. You're gripe shouldn't be with the biologists.
My gripe is not with all biologist of course but it is definetely with this group of biologist. Time after time they come up with evidence based on garbage science to support thier political masters anti-hunting agenda. absolutely ignoring valid data because it doesnt support your biased position makes for some bad decisions.
Any job applicants with common sense or stong ethics is turned away from the MNR fish and wildlife branch. (except CO's, we have some good ones)
MichiganShooter
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Holdengr, I am with you on the junk science. I have been following the wolf license issue in the Canadian press and MNR sites, and it was pretty obvious from afar what was happening. Most of the "scientists" I read stated that because they did not know how many wolves were in Ontario, hunting had to be deeply curtailed.
Over a decade ago, Michigan's DNR seized our ability to just buy a bear license and go hunting. Now we have a drawing. What was the reason? Because it was conceivable to the DNR that if everybody who bought a license shot a bear that year, there would be no more bears. If that sounds like anything other than bureaucrats bureaucratizing, then I really misunderstand the larger issue.
Over a decade ago, Michigan's DNR seized our ability to just buy a bear license and go hunting. Now we have a drawing. What was the reason? Because it was conceivable to the DNR that if everybody who bought a license shot a bear that year, there would be no more bears. If that sounds like anything other than bureaucrats bureaucratizing, then I really misunderstand the larger issue.