PA Game Commission-Everyone must read

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This is just one example of how bad things can get in PA on any given day. Maybe this will shed some light to those of you that wonder why we keep complaning about PA Game Commision on this forum. This letter is from the Pennsylvania Game Commissions "Hall of Shame". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

A 22-page civil lawsuit on behalf of Charles Foster against PA Game and Fish Commission personnel is sitting on the corner of my desk. It was filed October 14, 2004. You should remember the "Charles Foster Story", a column I wrote quite a few months ago. It was such an outrageous story that a few found it hard to believe that such a debacle could happen anywhere in the US.

Please allow me to refresh your memory. Charlie Foster was a "wanted man" for allegedly illegally killing a deer. A deer carcass was found amongst a pile of trash alongside the road. PGC law enforcement believed Charlie was the murderer. The PGC secured a search warrant to search Foster’s home. They showed up with Fish Commission personnel on a Sunday afternoon in the middle of Charlie Foster’s Christening party for his three children. They pushed Charlie’s mother into a concrete wall, hit his wife with a flashlight and forced Charlie to take his pants off in front of 20 people. They "house arrested" everyone detaining all in the Foster living room. They searched Charlie’s house and an additional home (Charlie’s mother’s house) on the property, which may not have been part of the search warrant.

There are many questions unanswered in regard to the search warrant because Charlie never saw the warrant. PGC WCO George Hinkle handled Charlie Foster’s concerns about legality when Hinkle arrived at Charlie’s home. "We are the PA Game Commission, we don’t need a search warrant" were Hinkle’s infamous words. Later PGC WCO Darren David confirmed the PGC’s law enforcement mentality when Charlie asked again to see a warrant. "I don’t need a f-----g search warrant. I’ll show you the f-----g search warrant when I’m good and ready to show you the f-----g search warrant". Obviously, the PGC has some real classy and knowledgeable individuals working for them with a full grasp of Constitutional law.

Levin, Fishbein, Sedran and Berman, 501 Walnut Street, Suite 500, Philadelphia PA are the attorneys handling this case for Charles Foster. The Co-council in the matter is Elmer Robert Keach III, 74 Church Street, Hagaman, NY. Attorney Keach prepared the document sitting on my desk. He specializes in civil liberty cases.

PGC law enforcement personnel named in the suit are WCO’s Darren David, George Hinkle, Linda McCafferty, Frederick Merluzzi and the retired PGC Regional Supervisor Barry Moore. Mr. Moore was in charge of this cast of characters at the time of the debacle. Matt Viskowski, a PFBC WCO was also named.

Of special concern is the fact that PGC Commission President Russ Schleiden of Centre Hall was also sued. On April 9, 2004 Charlie Foster tried to bring his grievances before a PGC Board of Commissioners meeting. Commission President Russ Schleiden gaveled Mr. Foster stating "it was not the right time and place for this kind of talk". Schleiden, in reality, severely violated Charlie Foster’s First Amendment rights. It was a public meeting discussing the actions of a government agency. We should demand the resignation of Russ Schleiden without delay or remorse.

The compensatory damages requested against most of the above are $5 million dollars with $1 million dollars being sought in punitive damages against almost all of them. The grand total is $33 million dollars. Unfortunately, the cost of embarrassment to the PGC for becoming involved in yet another massive legal case is immeasurable. I suggest you get a copy of this complaint. It is an easy read and will take the sting out of your disappointing deer season by adding some levity to your life.

Of course, the bigger issue in all of this is the number of serious lawsuits against the PGC at any given time. It is a clear indication of the lack of leadership, direction and control by the PGC management. The PGC has become a major embarrassment to this state.

Combined with our disastrous deer management program, PA is literally becoming the laughingstock of this nation.
 
hi two-o, i printed a copy of the petition and my wife took it to get 100 copies made , i will be passing them out in every store that will let me post it up, i hope others do the same, also if you get time check out my reply in night calling
 
Of special concern is the fact that PGC Commission President Russ Schleiden of Centre Hall was also sued. On April 9, 2004 Charlie Foster tried to bring his grievances before a PGC Board of Commissioners meeting. Commission President Russ Schleiden gaveled Mr. Foster stating "it was not the right time and place for this kind of talk". Schleiden, in reality, severely violated Charlie Foster’s First Amendment rights. It was a public meeting discussing the actions of a government agency. We should demand the resignation of Russ Schleiden without delay or remorse.
I was wondering if this was first hand knowledge or not. Thats all /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Its amazing how our government dont blink an eye at spending 700 billion dollars of OUR tax dollars to make the people of other countries free, and at the same time strip us of our freedom and rights. Well people for what it is worth I for 1 am fighting back, i have distributed 50 petitions and having 100 more run off today!!!!! F.T.P.G.C.
 
As I mentioned above, what I posted came directly from the PA Game commissions hall of shame web site that jughead39 posted. Some are stories posted, others are newspaper articles I think and some are the actual court documents from the lawsuit proceedings. If you check out the site and have any morals at all, your day will go to crap after reading some of the stuff the PGC has done.
I can believe it from my own dealings with them. Quite a bit of "bad" run ins with them so I know first hand how they work. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
another run in with the P.G.C.... A few years back my mother purchased two of my brothers and 1 each a real nice orange hunting vest , they were identicle other than my 1 brother wore a size bigger, well my brother (ed) who had the same size vest was staying with me for a couple days and hunting deer in archery season. I head out one evening for the last couple hours grab "my" vest and out the door, that evening i shot a buck , I get down from my tree walk to where the buck dropped and after looking at the horns for a minute or so begin to fill out "my" tag, im just about finished filling out the tag when i look and see my brothers name on the license! So i immediatly stop , put the license back in the holder and head to town to see if i could find the warden to explain what i did.Luck would have it i found him parked at a car dealer in town, so i pull over explain to him what happened, He says well i have bad news for you, your gonna get a 500 dollar fine, I couldnt believe it! by then my Father was with me and after we argued with the idiot for a while my dad says come on lets go , we go to my dads and he calls the headcourters, My dad explained to the commissioner at headcourters what happened and that the local warden was threatening a citation, Well the commissioner at the headcourters told my dad not to worry about it that he would speak to our local warden and i would not be recieving a fine and also told us that my brother could go purchase another license (which was my concern from the beginning and the reason i went to find the warden in the first place) And the commissioner also stated that I should not be punished for being honest, so i never did recieve the fine, but my point is if i wouldnt have pushed the issue i would have gotten a 500 dollar fine and lost my license for probly 2 years, and this is 1 of the same wardens im still having problems with F.T.P.G.C
 
You said a mouthfull!!! To the PGC, one of these days {pow} right in the kisser. LOL /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Hopefully somebody high up in the courts is reading this stuff also. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I doubt it though. If the high ups knew we were having this much fun huntin, they'd probably abolish hunting thinking we only do this to help keep the sick and stupid animals down. :eek:
 


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