Palo Alto Cop Shoots Mountain Lion (pics)

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Palo Alto visit fatal to cougar
Cop shoots cat near schools and residences

Alan Gathright, Diana Walsh, Chronicle Staff Writers
Tuesday, May 18, 2004
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Police shot and killed a 108-pound mountain lion treed in the heart of Palo Alto on Monday, saying it posed an imminent threat to hundreds of children who were about to be released from two nearby schools.

The male cat, estimated to be 2 to 3 years old, sparked alarm after it was first reported by early-morning dog walkers and a delivery man around Rinconada Park -- less than a mile from Highway 101 and far from the foothills that the big cats normally call home.

Given the highly populated setting, police and wildlife officials said, a police officer was given the OK to shoot the cat at 1:09 p.m. Authorities stressed that attempting to subdue it with a tranquilizer dart would have been too risky because it can take half an hour for the drugs to take effect.

"You're just putting more people at risk if you tranquilize a lion and it takes off,'' said state Department of Fish and Game spokesman Steve Martarano, whose agency approved a permit to kill the lion as a public safety threat.

"It usually takes at least 20 or 30 minutes for the tranquilizing drugs to take effect. At that point, (the cougar) can be highly unpredictable,'' Martarano said. "That's why we don't as a policy tranquilize lions to remove them.''

He added simply: "Lions are very difficult to catch."

The animal "was a huge threat to public safety," and what would happen if a tranquilizer was used was just too unpredictable, said Palo Alto police Detective Kara Apple. "It was lunchtime for nearby elementary schools, and students were going to be getting out shortly.''

Duveneck and Walter Hays elementary schools are near popular Rinconada Park, which also includes the city's community center and Junior Museum and Zoo.

The lion killing capped a morning of anxious drama for suburban residents unused to big-game hunts.

It began about 4:45 a.m. when a delivery man reported the puma on Coleridge Avenue in the city's most exclusive neighborhood -- Old Palo Alto, which is home to former 49ers great Steve Young and Apple Computer founder Steve Jobs.

Size of a German shepherd

Somehow, the wayward cat crossed busy Embarcadero Road, and an hour later a couple walking their dog reported a mountain lion "the size of a German shepherd walking down the sidewalk," Detective Apple said, before it vanished into the bushes at Cedar Street and Parkinson Avenue.

Palo Alto police called officers in on overtime, and a yard-by-yard search was conducted. Patrol officers from five surrounding communities helped out, and a California Highway Patrol plane buzzed overhead.

Duveneck Elementary School Principal Ruth Malen was notified by the associate school superintendent at 6:15 a.m. that a mountain lion had been spotted in the neighborhood near the school. When she arrived at the school, a police officer and patrol car were parked in front, standing guard over the school grounds.

At the direction of the police, Malen asked the staff to keep all of the children inside their classrooms for morning recess, and physical education classes were held in the school's multipurpose room. At lunchtime, children were allowed to eat and play near their classrooms but were called back in after another sighting.

The final chapter began just past noon, when gardeners entering the backyard of a home on Newell Road near Channing Avenue saw the cougar cut through the yard and leap a fence.

About 20 minutes later, John and Linda Furrier's 2-year-old son, Tyler, and 3-year-old daughter, Caroline, were playing in the backyard and open garage on Walter Hays Drive when their 11-year-old black Labrador retriever, Kelsey, began growling ferociously, making a noise the couple had never heard. Soon afterward, the Lab darted after something down the street.

John Furrier followed the dog outside, where cruising animal-control officers warned: "Your dog's out, and there's a mountain lion loose in the neighborhood.''

Suburban watchdog

What no one realized at the time was that dog had driven the cougar up a tree in the next-door neighbor's front yard.

Nobody saw the mountain lion until 40 minutes later, when CBS 5 TV reporter Len Ramirez said he looked up in a 20-foot camphor tree and "saw this big cat sleeping peacefully in a tree, like something in a National Geographic special.''

"In my calmest voice, I told my cameraman, 'Bob, look up,' and pointed at the tree,'' Ramirez recounted. The reporter then notified a patrol officer parked under the tree -- unaware that his quarry was overhead.

"The cop looked up and had this surprised look, like 'Oh!' -- and then he radioed it in,'' Ramirez said.

A police officer armed with an AR-15 rifled arrived within seconds as the lion appeared to stir, rising into a crouch. The officer, a woman police wouldn't identify, fired one shot, hitting the cat in the midsection.

"Oh, my God!" a neighbor screamed as the lion clung briefly to the limb before falling to the ground. It ran onto the front lawn of a neighboring home, then collapsed and died.

In a surreal scene, neighbors spoke with a mixture of nervous humor and relief as the Furriers' toddlers played on a swing dangling from the tree where the cougar had been perched minutes earlier.

"It's very scary to have a mountain lion in a neighborhood with small kids. They're helpless against an animal that size,'' said John Furrier.

Just overhead

Many residents recounted how they'd unwittingly walked beneath the tree where the cat was perched during the excitement of the search.

"We were looking in the bushes on the ground. How stupid are we?'' said Lisa Mellberg, who lives across the street.

Everyone praised Kelsey the Lab as a hero.

"Kelsey's getting steak for dinner tonight,'' said Linda Furrier.

Apple said police, who initially were using the news media and patrols saturating neighborhoods to notify residents, were initiating a phone alert system when the lion was found and shot.

Santa Clara County wildlife specialist Mike Phillips, who examined the dead lion, said it did not appear sick or hungry. Phillips suspected the young lion had been hunting along nearby San Francisquito Creek, which runs from the foothills to the bay, and probably "just got disoriented" and wandered into the neighborhood.

A necropsy planned by Fish and Game scientists may determine whether this is the same lion that clawed and bit a horse last month in the hills behind Stanford University, Phillips said. Researchers will study the animal's stomach contents and can even compare the lion's claw and bite marks with the horse's wounds.

They could also use genetic analysis to match the lion's DNA with tufts of cougar hair left on a barbed wire fence during the horse attack.

Meeting a mountain lion
Don't hike alone. Keep children close to you.
Do not approach a lion, especially one that is feeding or with kittens.
Stay calm, talk calmly and move back slowly. Running may trigger the lion's chase instinct.
Leave a way for the lion to escape.
Face the lion, and stand upright. Try to make yourself appear as large as possible. Wave your arms slowly to appear larger.
Do not crouch or bend over. You may look like prey in this position.
Lift up children so they don't panic and run.
If you are attacked, fight back. Try to remain on your feet and use rocks, sticks or your hands to fend off the animal.
Report encounters as soon as possible to local authorities at 911 and the Department of Fish and Game's 24-hour dispatch center at (916) 445-0045.

Mountain lion
(cougar, puma, catamount)
Adult length:
59" - 108"
Paw print: 3"- 4" long
 
How dare those Kalifornicans shoot one of thier beloved felines.The game department and the officer that shot the cat should be sued and put in jail, for life.Or at least a PETA protest and a lawsuit.Iether way I am sure some one there in the Peoples Republic will figure out a scam to sue someone over this horrific incedent that cost the life of a poor defenceless mountain lion.Ha ha ha...NVWalt
 
A Kalifornian police officer shooting a protected animal? OMG! He should be put in jail. After all, they have to eat too and whats easier to catch than a child that never pays attention to anything. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I'm sure one of the witnesses to that horrific murder will be scarred for life and will have to sue somebody (whoever has the most money) for mental anguish and emotional distress. Many years of therapy will of course follow.

With the victims new found wealth, he/she being the activist that he/she undoubtedly is, will devote thier life to protecting the mountain lion and try to show the rest of the world that they are just another of natures beautiful harmless creatures like the spotted owl or the black tailed prairie dog.

They'll set up a wildlife preserve for mountain lions and give them cute little names like Elsa and Bo Bo.

And then one day, while our resident environut is hosting a CNN news crew doing a follow-up story on the "Kalifornia Mountain Lion Murder", Bo Bo decides that he's had enough of this crap and eats our little nut job on camera putting her and the rest of us out of our misery.

You would think that would be the end of the story wouldn't you? C'mon man, this is America!

Of course CNN airs the grizzly footage during prime time and gets the highest ratings for a news show (lol). Because just like everybody has to stop and look at a bad accident on the freeway and then reel in horror at the carnage, everybody just has to see what a person looks like after being mauled and eaten by Bo Bo.

Only there's one woman that didn't catch the graphic content disclaimer before the footage was aired and was completely unaware of the consequences viewing such a ghastly sight would have on her psycological well being. Well needless to say, she lives in Kalifornia too, and will be contacting an attorney as soon as she is physically able to dial a phone.

The moral of the story is: There ain't no moral, I just had some spare time and let my imagination run amuck. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
You guys are bad, you should be ashamed of talking badly about Kalifornia...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
The question I have is this: Who will speak for the cougar? The poor "disoriented" animal just wandered out of the happy hunting grounds of the foothills and happened upon an area frequented by small, active bipeds.

An advocate attorney's best dream: represent an "endangered" (and overpopulated) animal that has had the "rights" of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness taken away from it by the evil government employee.

One guess as to who will take home the dough with a whopping settlement (tax payers money)....

Only in Kalifornia....

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If I shot something like this while on duty they would do a vehicle inspection to see if I had any electronic calls hidden in the vehicle. Dogboy is keeping his mouth shut because he probably has a new world record stored up in his freezer. I know he is hunting on duty.

Randy
 
We had one walking through the greenbelt in our neighborhood a few weeks back. Some folks out for a walk noticed it, when it saw them it took off into the desert just south of our subdivision.

The wife and kids and I were about to go on a bike ride when they told us. I looked at the wife and she just rolled her eyes and said "Go ahead". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif You've gotta love a woman who understands you..

5 min later I was in the desert calls in hand. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Well i just spoke with my fellow PETA member friends, and we are gonna rally at the site. An0 official state funded shrine costing 3.5 million is in the works for the poor baby kitty. I mean the cat was doing nothing more than taking a snooze, waiting for a small child to rub his tummy and scratch behind his ears! What was the point in taking away the precious life of a defensless animal with an "evil black gun" like an assult rifle.!?!?! People are overpopulated as it is, would you really miss one if the poor kitty got hungry?? come on people what is wrong with you???? Very upset, and on the phone with my PETA director- Justin

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The real problem here is California's inability to remove an animal from the endagered species list. Fish and Game will not admit that there is a mountain lion issue due to proposition 117 which allocates 30 million taxpayer dollars to lion habitat. They "cannot" afford to lose that money from their budget. I grew up in North Eastern California and have watched the mule deer heard get decimated by lions over the last 15 years. I saw 27 lions in 4 years without dogs and had to shoot one at 15 feet in self defense with 12 guage dove and quail shells.It had NO fear. I hunted allot at that time so I am sure I saw more than most people. Removing the lion from the endagered species list has been put on the ballot 2 times and has failed both times due to the cute pictures and the missinformation about lion population and habits. We now discuss buck to doe ratio instead on deer population to make it look like there is not a problem and keep tag sales up. We blame it on starving deer in the winter due to lack of food. I have not seen a skinny deer in years. Fields that used to have hundreds of deer in them in Lassen county and multiple trophy bucks, now have about ten deer and one of them may me a forked horn. With dogs you can strike a track on any dirt road in less than thirty minutes and have it treed in an hour. It is crazy. I have video tape of one big male in my back yard that looked like he was starving to death. They shot 2 in Central California (Morgan Hill) this Spring. I have watched it unfold over the years and it is sad. This state's fish and game are controlled by emotion not reality. OK, off of my soap box. Save the Elderberry beetles, the Red Legged Frogs, the Spotted Owl, Stop the river sedimentation.Stop cow flatulation, where does it end??????????????
 
You guys just about have Kalifornia nailed! Actually the REAL name of the state is "The Socialist Democratic Republic of Fienstien". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Grunder you are almost correct, it is NOT on an endangered list, it is listed as a "protected" species. It's protected by state law not federal.

The feds would have removed it from endangered a long time ago.

As for all the bleeding hearts in SF, maybe one will hang out in their kids back yards (hopefully no harm to kids, I'd never wish that even to a real PETA member's kid) but let them feel how these people felt.

If the morons here would quit developing into the hills they MIGHT have enough habitat to not have to encroach on the humans. They'll still keep an already incredibly low number deer herd down, but PETA doesn't care about that, since we only raise deer to kill them. We ALL know that. We REALLY don't care if the numbers are up or down, now do we?
 
Here's more on this from the San Jose Mercury News. I was especially tickled by the woman who called the dog that treed the cat "a traitor to animal-kind". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Remember, when anti-hunting bills come up on the ballot, these are the kind of people who are voting against us!

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Residents debate cougar killing

SAFETY VS. HUMANITY QUESTIONS KEEP THEM BUZZING

By Kim Vo

Mercury News

John Furrier tried walking Kelsey on Tuesday morning but quickly gave up. He and the Labrador kept getting stopped every few houses as neighbors asked to hear how Kelsey scared the mountain lion up a tree.

``It's the most-talked-about story in Palo Alto,'' Furrier said.

Across breakfast tables and store counters, the city is abuzz about why a mountain lion was wandering the sidewalks and yards of Palo Alto on Monday. In a city that prides itself on being friendly to both kids and animals, people debated tranquilizers vs. bullets, safety vs. humanity and whether police had been justified Monday in shooting the lion out of a tree with a rifle, just hours before three nearby elementary schools let out.

Mourners have dropped off rest-in-peace notes and white roses underneath the camphor tree where the mountain lion was shot. Residents lighted up the police phone lines and pounded out e-mails, mostly scolding them for the killing.

And, in a sign of how divided opinion is, some called Kelsey a hero and wanted to nominate her to the Hall of Fame. The Furriers gave her a celebratory dinner of steak tips and Milk-Bone biscuits. But someone also sent Kelsey's owner an e-mail accusing the 11-year-old dog of being a traitor to animal-kind.

On Tuesday, it seemed everyone had an opinion about the shooting.

``It's really messed up,'' said Yildiz Toy, 17. Police ``should not have killed it.'' She and her co-workers at Peninsula Beauty passed the morning discussing the mountain lion's death.

At Addison elementary, they wrote fun facts about mountain lions on the white board. At Walter Hays elementary, third-grader Kevin Dukovic told the story -- over and over -- of how reporters descended on the tree in front of his home where the mountain lion was shot.

On Walter Hays Drive, neighbors were phoning each other with the news, said Gretchen Emmons, who lives on the street near where the lion was killed.

``Most people are sad they did not use a tranquilizer gun,'' said Emmons, 71. ``Everyone wished it could have had a different ending.''

Susan Hartzell said she was bemused by all the talk. ``I doubt a lot of people in Palo Alto know how to capture a mountain lion,'' said Hartzell, who has lived in city since 1968.

Wild West lives

Among those holding strong opinions were Hartzell's granddaughters, who are moving to the Bay Area from England and were titillated by the news. They bragged to their other grandma in Cincinnati about it and plan to mail back newspapers of ``the wild West'' to their classmates in Kent.

Six-year-old Abby Hartzell confessed she was ``a little scared'' when she heard about the mountain lion over breakfast.

``But Abby,'' big sister Lily said, ``it was shot.''

Lily, 7 going on 8, says that was a bad call.

``They didn't have to shoot it, they could catch it,'' she said.

How?

``Maybe with a piece of meat.''

Palo Alto police stand by their decision. Tranquilizers often take at least 20 minutes to work, and the mountain lion could have behaved unpredictably or escaped during that time, putting residents in danger.

The shooting was inevitable, said George Wade, who cycled by the mountain lion's memorial on Walnut Drive to drop off a bunch of daisies tied with a yellow bow. Nearby was a handwritten poem: ``A mountain lion/lost and killed/among a species/which feared him''

``I realize it had to happen, but it's sad,'' Wade said of the mountain lion's death. ``It's a remarkable creature.''

Stays inside

Salote Guttenbeil also was torn. The Palo Alto homemaker stayed indoors Monday, fearful of the mountain lion, but thought ``poor thing'' once she heard it had been killed.

``It's a nice animal,'' she said, ``but it came to the wrong place.''
 
Lily, 7 going on 8, says that was a bad call.

``They didn't have to shoot it, they could catch it,'' she said.

How?

``Maybe with a piece of meat.''

sheesh....her parents need to let her know that SHE could have been that "piece of meat"@!#@!@!
That place sounds like one that *I* would not want to live in. Frightening to think people could be that stupid.
 
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