PVS-14 & day scope combo ?

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Ray McGaughey

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I have an AR-15 that I want to dedicate as a night rifle. I have a Daniel Defense free-float forearm that has a rail all the way to the end of it, so I have rail from one end to the other. I have a PVS-14 that I would like to mount between my eye and the eyepiece of the scope. I see many offers for adapters that attach the PVS-14 to the scope's eye piece. I'm wanting to know if any of you have used the PVS-14 mounted to the gun with the rail mount that comes with it, ahead of a scope mounted farther away than "normal" ? If so, what scope mount did you use & what results did you have ? I've looked at the Rock River Cantilever mount but can't find any specs to tell me exactly what height the scope will be. I need a mount that will align the PVS with the scope. Any suggestions ?
 
While the technique works behind the scope, the most effective way to use a PVS-14 is head mounted with a IR laser on a gun. It's like shooting in a video game. Most can get good hits out to 200 yards with on 14" steel plates.

Placing a PVS in front of a day optic will cause some severe POA/POI issues as the 14 is not collimated for these duties for the light path to stay constant.

Hope this helps.

Vic
 
Originally Posted By: Victor_TNVCWhile the technique works behind the scope, the most effective way to use a PVS-14 is head mounted with a IR laser on a gun. It's like shooting in a video game. Most can get good hits out to 200 yards with on 14" steel plates.

Placing a PVS in front of a day optic will cause some severe POA/POI issues as the 14 is not collimated for these duties for the light path to stay constant.

Hope this helps.

Vic I've tried different ways to effectively scan then mount my pvs14 to my day scope, from personal experience I was missing more than I was shooting....scanning, mounting pvs14, focusing, engaging... Doesn't sound like much but try it when your heart is pumping 200 beats a minute. It can be done and i dont wanna step on anyones toes if thats what they are using to get in the night hunting game, but the most efficient way is mounting it on your melon and engaging the target with an IR laser.
 

Ray......use the search engine at the top of the page and you will find a plenty of posts related to this topic.
 
Ray,

You can take a look at our scope mount for the PVS-14 here:

http://www.hightechredneckincorporated.com/High_Tech_Red_Neck_Day_Night_Scope_Adapter_s/37.htm

And our Signature Series Scopes here (which is basically what you have if you go with the conversion kit):

http://www.hightechredneckincorporated.com/Night_Vision_Scopes_s/2.htm

With respect to your question of mounting the PVS-14 behind a dayscope on the AR 15 rail, you can do that with the standard GI weapon mount if you use 1 inch high scope bases. You can also choose to go with the HTRN weapon mount if you use 1.5 inch or higher scope bases. The HTRN weapon mount comes with a quick attach/detach action that allows you to use the PVS-14 as a monocular or as a hands free goggle then quickly attach it behind the sight (dayscope, Eotech, Laser) for the shot once you spot the target. The only problem you will encounter with this setup is the occasional glare (off the rear scope objective glass) from any close by light source, the moon if it is 3/4 or full, or someone else hunting with you who is using an IR device and standing behind you. In most hunting conditions, glare will only be from the moon and that glare is fairly insignificant. In most cases, the glare is just an anoyance and will not disable your ability to engage the target.

This setup or any other setup using the PVS-14 behind a day scope will allow you to shoot out to yardages that are reasonable for safety purposes (300 to 400 yards) even under the darkest of nights given proper IR assistance. Also consider that 90% or more of your shots on average will be taken at the 100 to 150 yard range anyway. However, once in awhile you will get an opportunity at a double and this generally means a longer shot on the second one. I have personally killed plenty of coyotes well beyond 200 yards with my longest at 350 yards. One of my customers claimed a 450 yard shot with his HTRN Signature Series Scope but I obviously can't confirm that. However, here is a video clip of me taking a double with the second one at 350 yards.



While this hunt happened on a full moon night, the IR device was only used for filming purposes. This one could have been taken without the aid of any IR light. In this clip I was using a Nikon 2.5x10x50 Monarch in combination with the Beta Wolf MX-160 monocular. One nice option you have with your PVS-14 (that is not available for most other types of NV devices) is if you want to: you can choose to go with a weapon mount behind an Eotech; you can choose to go with a weapon mount behind a day scope; you can choose to go with a weapon mount combined with a laser sight; you can choose to go for a hands free goggle mount; you can choose to put it on a camera; you can choose to put it on a VCR; you can choose to put it on a spotting scope; and, whatever else the military comes up with for it in the future. I think most would agree that the PVS-14 is the un-disputed most versatile NV unit out there that is capable of doing just about anything well. Let me know if you have any other questions about the setup you are currently pursuing or any other setups you want to consider for your PVS-14. Kevin
 
Go to home depot and buy a rubber sink gasket for under $5 that comes with the hose clamps. Put it on your day scope and clamp. Helmet mount your NV on shooting eye. Scan, get target, put end of NV in the end of hose clamp adjust your NV ring to focus on crosshairs and shoot. All in about 10 sec once you figure it out. I have been doing it this way for years. I bought all the NV mounts etc... and they all took too long to use. Now your cheek weld isn't perfect it may take a little practice but it works and you leave your day scope on your rifle for both day and night use. If it's a bright night you may not have to use and illuminator on a low scope setting. I use a bushnell legend 5x15x40. Have IR mounted to gun and just flick it on if I need it. Can head shoot things as far as I can see with the IR.
 
Hey doggit.....I tried that very same setup about 10 years ago when I got my first PVS-14. Funny how us High Tech Red Necks think alike
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After the first night I gave up on the idea as it was just too awkward of a position for me with the headmount (skull crusher) I was using. Maybe I just gave up on it too soon? Do you use something different on the headmount or just the standard skull crusher one? Kevin
 
No got a spec ops high speed bike helmet from wally world and painted it matte grey. Like I said it's not perfect but using it over the years got used to it. Lots of hogs and dogs have caught a 180 grain in the head with this set up. Tried the eotech and even lasers I just can't get used to not being able to zoom in and take an ear shot!
 


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