pvs mounted in front of day time scope or rear ?


Alan, the PVS-14 mounts to the rear of the daytime scope. I'm not aware of anyone mounting it in front, but if anyone does (with success) it would be good to hear about and the details for knowledge sake.

There are vendors on the forums who sell PVS-14's so you might contact some of them and inquire specifically for what you are looking for.
 

Originally Posted By: Alan DKevin from Hitechredneck mounts his in front .

I didn't know that. If it works well then that's all that matters.
 
Originally Posted By: Alan D sorry ! kevin mounts his NV in the rear of the scope .


So does everyone else if they actually plan on hitting anything.



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We've attempted front mount designs in the past but the performance (image quality and distance) is pretty bad compared to the rear mount and there is a noticeable POA shift which defeats the intent of having a multi-purpose rifle to hunt day or night. So our designs are all rear mounted and will likely stay that way in the future. Kevin
 

Question - what about clip-on's, such as Armasight MR and other similar ones? How well, if at all, do these scopes work in front of a daytime scope?
 
Improved standards of learning, for the unwary leading the misinformed on the term, Front & Rear used in Scope conversation .
( Front ) of scope = Objective lens
( Rear ) of scope = Ocular lens
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I mounted my PVS14 in FRONT of my OCULAR lens of the scope .
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Index, I know all about objective and ocular as to which one is which. If I say "in front of" it is understood which end of the scope is being referred to. Some may not know that is called the objective end, and it really doesn't matter since everyone knows front vs. rear.

Do you have specific information about clip-ons, ie the Armasight MR series scopes and how well they work. or don't? Otherwise I find your post offensive and demeaning, not because of the learning value, but rather the WAY you articulated it.
 
Clip-Ons always cost more due to the fact that their lenses are specifically properly collimated to the day optic lenses to allow their use in front.

PVS-14s are not collimated for use with other lens systems and will only work on the rear.
 
I use a armasight co-mr mounted in front of my daytime scope and it is good to 300 yards with a good ir light. Can see further than 300 yards but wouldn't take a shot with confidence past 300 yards.
 
Originally Posted By: 6mm06Index, I know all about objective and ocular as to which one is which. If I say "in front of" it is understood which end of the scope is being referred to. Some may not know that is called the objective end, and it really doesn't matter since everyone knows front vs. rear.

Do you have specific information about clip-ons, ie the Armasight MR series scopes and how well they work. or don't? Otherwise I find your post offensive and demeaning, not because of the learning value, but rather the WAY you articulated it.
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It was not directed personally at you ???. I was not questioning your knowledge or attacking your information given to the Threads discussion . Whats Up ?
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( IF ) you look at the ' Heading ' of my Post that you take offense to . You will notice a, ( Re: Alan D ) . in the end of heading . If you clik on that and it will direct you to the other end of my conversation and to show, I was not even thinking of you .
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Hammer and SkyPup, thanks. That's the kind of information I was looking for.

Index, I didn't take it personally necessarily since I figured you were talking to others as well as me. But also I said "in front of" without using the politically correct "in front of the ocular" so your words included me. I think your words ( "for the unwary leading the misinformed" and "I mounted my PVS14 in FRONT of my OCULAR lens of the scope" ) rubbed me the wrong way as if I and others were being politically corrected. Made me feel like I was back in my 8th grade English class with my very stern and extremely correcting teacher. The way something is said makes a difference. Nothing wrong with education though, done properly.

We really shouldn't be having this type of conversation, but I have got to the point that I call out the BS I see on the forums. Now that can be a learning thing too.
 
( insert internet sarcasm here ) --> . Your apology accepted .
The OP is asking about using the pvs14 in front of the Obj. (skypup) answered the question great with 'Collimation' . of the projected image you are looking at in the PVS14 and for the majority NOD's is way far from close to a POA zero set on your day scope in front of the Obj.

I am FAR from being an expert of NV and am only on my 3rd pvs14, and I have only logged 600+ hours on the last unit I am using now .
you Can use it in front of the Obj. of day scope, and you Can See a projected image in the dayscope of PVS14 . but Your POI will be several inches off your aim . I (personally) really don't like even useing the PVS14 as weapons mounted anyway because of recoil mitigation usually being sub-par from a dedicated clip-on .
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David, if you call out all the bs you see on the forums you're going to be a busy guy. Ha!

For the original poster. I have used a pvs14 behind an Eotech and put a 3x multiplier lens on the pvs14. It works fairly well for short ranges, but you run the risk of doing some damage to the pvs14 due to recoil. it seems to do fine on an AR in .223 (which is what I used it on) but anything larger can be risky to the pvs14. Hightechredneck who is a sponser here has a variety of systems. that do that job fairly well, so go look at his web site and see what they can tell you. I killed a few coyotes with mine, but did not enjoy as much range as I felt I needed. I did ok out to about 100 yds, but didn't feel comfortable with the Eotech beyond that. I have since gone to thermal and it is a great deal better. By the time you invest in a good pvs14, the mounts and a magnifier lens for it, you are pretty close to buying an Apex thermal which is way beyond better. I still use my pvs14 occasionally for scanning, but most of the time it is a desk ornament.
 
Very true Dave, and I don't have time nor do I want to call all of it out.

Now to better stuff. Thanks for your info about the PVS-14 and the cost of making it work properly vs thermal. Good comparison in costs as well as something to consider.
 
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The pvs-14 behind a good day scope is just fine. It is effective way beyond 100 yards. I shoot coyotes 180 yards & beyond, & have not even come close to maxing it out. Kevin shoots a.220 swift, & I shoot a 22-250 with no problem. In fact Kevin told me he still shoots the one he started with. You don't need a magnifier lens with a day scope.
 
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You are right Old Cat. I didn't mean to infer that 100yds was a limitation of the pvs14. It was a limitation for me behind an eotech. I just didn't feel comfortable shooting much further than that with that setup. I am sure a pvs14 works well enough for longer shots behind a scope. I tried that combination, but didn't like the way it worked. If it works well for you then you have what you need.
 


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