ok thanks alot, how about the use of calls, such as a mouth blown cub distress. my grandfather used one in his back yard (not to kill the bear, just to see how it worked) during the summer and a BIG bear came RUNNING in. think of the biggest black bear youve seen in PA, the bear i saw that day probably made your bear loo like a puppy. at leat 400 lbs. im guessing it was a male looking for a meal. with results like that, theres no doubt in my mind that those calls dont work, and ive heard alot of people that thnk they dont. i wish i had a pic to show you. replies are app.