QUESTION - eCaller and Motion Decoy setup. Bobcats vs Coyote

TheGDog

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1) Do you first wait a bit after you've first arrived at the location BEFORE even attempting to put them out? If so? How long do you wait before even bothering to put out the caller and decoy? (I assume you glass around you to make sure there's not one already there watching you)

2) After you've setup your eCaller and Motion Decoy. How long do you wait before you then turn the eCaller on? Or is that not necessary? Do you wait so the commotion of your footsteps has had time to die down?

3) When I'm setting them out... should I be more "hugging the edge"? Like if a location is a tucked-away meadow with sort of an oval shape that's surrounded on it's perimeter with Oaks/Scrub Oaks... would it be unwise to place the caller more toward the middle of that meadow? Would that seem unnatural to the Bobcat or Coyote and make them wary or something? One avid bowhunter I've spoken with says for coyotes he just crams the caller into a bush... waits until the coyote sticks his head into the bush, and then let's 'em have it. Hence my question of should I be thinking of sticking more to "the edge"?

4) In my research I've seen it said that Bobcats are more wary of loud volume. And yet, I've also seen it said they've sat right in front of the thing with it blaring? Which is it most of the time? In what situations do I have to worry about dimming the volume down? When do I have to stop the playback?

5) What's the difference in tactic and call sequence when I'm trying to call in bobcat with mouth calls, rather than eCaller. I was told 15-20 seconds... then 2-3 minute pause.. then another 15-20 sec.. then 5 minute pause.. repeat up to 3 times... then try a different call/sound. Then like after 45 to 60 for bobcat, move to another spot. I'm assuming the second you see one appears on the scene, you then don't use the call anymore and at best you lip-squeek or use a mouse-squeeker to try to bring them in the rest of the way? (if you can do so without the movement being seen).

6) In general, in what ways is your tactic different when the terrain is thick Chaopparal and meadows with tall brushy grass... vs. more Open high-desert country?

7) I have a Motion Decoy and also a stationary 2D Montana Decoy of a cottontail. (That Miss Hop-tober one) Is there anything I should be aware of in terms of using the two of them together? Like should I be placing them a minimum of X distance apart from one another? I try to make sure the 2D decoy is perpendicular to the suns rays in terms of suspected incoming pathway the animal is likely to come in from due to wind. To make sure he's seeing it the "wide" way.

8) I've also seen it said that Bobcat can lose interest in tracking that sound more easily and that playing the calling sequence again with less wait in-between than for coyotes is recommended. What say ye to this one?

There will be more questions. My season is effectively over now. A boy scouts event is taking up this coming weekend with my son.

To better give you all an idea of the particular terrain I was trying to focus on, I'm going to include a link to one of my YouTube video vlogs. I apologize ahead of time... there is cursing in it... as I did not manage to be successful with that opportunity, due to tactical errors on my part.

NSFW language - Hunting vlog about Bobcat near miss.

I carefully hit up all around that general area for 4 weekends in a row without seeing him again. (Though I think I *may* have spotted some motion on this last outing which may have been him, very hard to tell because of how thick it us).

I'm newer to hunting. I started in 2014, get my butt handed to me by the forest, asked a lot of questions, then consistently got my deer each year after that twice with rifle, this last time with bow. Then, since I've been working this whole thing backwards, I finally bothered getting my first rabbits in 2017 with rifle and AirRifle. I've called in a coyote (in a different high desert location) and made a surprise jump-shot happen on one.. but unfortunately it must not have been a hit in the vitals because after doing a barrel-roll mid-air.. forelegs tucking in like a praying mantis... dropping to the ground and laying there vascillating back and forth a little bit for like 4 seconds... he freakin' rose back up to his feet... turned to look at me.. and took off!!! I figured 40 yds and he'd pile-up.. but I blood trailed him like 250+yds until the trail finally just went cold.

So yeah... these next coming months I aim to get back out there and redeem myself on the coyote business. And after having this close bobcat encounter it kills me that I let that opportunity slip thru my fingers because I tried to be ninja slow, rather than rapidly try to make the extreme turn of my body and attempt a shot rapidly.

So to that end, I'd graciously appreciate your input to my thoughtful questions born of time in the field.

Thank You.
 
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I don't do much different when calling either bobcats or coyotes. I don't blare the call. In thicker areas I set the call closer to me. I switch up sounds particularly for bobcats.

In more open country I find a yucca plant or sagebrush to sit in front of. In thick areas I just sit in it with a shotgun and wait for a head to come bouncing into view.

Hand calls I'll call for about 10 seconds and wait 30 seconds or so. I call continuously with an electronic call. About the only thing I do differently is I wait at least 30 minutes on stand for a bobcat. If I know one is in the area 45 minutes. 15 to 25 minutes for coyotes.

I start calling as soon as I get everything set up,make sure my scope is on the power I want it. Scan for things that aren't really animals that could appear to be and that's about it. I don't use a decoy of any kind so I'm not much help there. Any time I've been calling with someone with a decoy it scared something coming in or they saw it and hung up way out there. I'd rather hide the call and make them come find it. I'm not sure if I answered every question but that's basically how I set up and call.
 
I often hunt in thick brush with small pockets of open clearings. Where I hunt, bobcats and foxes that live in the brush are often very wary about walking out into open clearings like the one in your video. Usually they hang up on the edges in the shade just thinking about it before they eventually leave.

Walk in quietly, place the caller, start calling immediately.

Your visability was poor in the video. Try standing in/next to a bush or tree away from your caller and hold still.
 
Set up call as quickly but QUIETLY as possible. Since areas I hunt are likely to produce both coyotes and bobcats, I prefer to set up call cross wind. I hunt edges of heavy brush for the most part with limited visibility. Call & decoy never too far from the edge of the brush.

Once I have placed call, I get settled as quickly as possible w/rifle on sticks and, then start decoy (motion & audible set on bird distress). I let that run solo for a few minutes, then randomly blend in other hand calls & ecalls. The Foxpro Jack Daddy's subdued bird audible is, IMO, perfect for cats.
This one, as is typically the case w/cats, simply appeared straight across the sendero from my call/decoy.

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After careful inspection of his surroundings proceeded to walk across for closer inspection of the decoy.

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Another cat inspecting the Mojo critter

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I've not experienced coyotes hanging up due to decoy, but that could be the result of my limited visibility (at best a couple hundred yards). If there is a drawback to the decoy with coyotes, it is that those coyotes called ever since I obtained the FD, have all come in hot and I've been unable to stop them for a shot by silencing call or barking.

Regards,
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I have seen lots of coyotes and bobcats come in to high volume.

For over 20 years I called coyotes and bobcats on a cassette caller on full volume and I never saw coyotes or bobcats turn and run the other way because the volume was to loud.

4 or 5 years ago I was doing a few coyote calling stands before I went deer hunting in the afternoon. On the last stand I saw a bobcat running in towards my FoxPro when I had Prairie Dog Distress playing on full volume.

The bobcat stopped about 20 yards from my FoxPro and sat down. I switched sounds to Vole Squeaks on about half volume and some bird sounds on half volume to try and get the bobcat up closer to my caller.

Since I wasn't going to shoot the bobcat and I wanted to go deer hunting pretty soon I switched to Lightning Jack on full volume to try and call in a coyote.

When the bobcat heard Lightning Jack on full blast volume it jumped up and ran right up to my FoxPro.
IMG_1675 - Copy by Robert Morris, on Flickr
The bobcat in the above picture was not afraid of one of Foxpro's loudest sounds on full volume.
IMG_1726 - Copy by Robert Morris, on Flickr
This is the same bobcat after it decided to leave.

When you are done with your calling stands don't just stand up. Leave your caller playing the sound and get up very slowly while you are looking all around. Quite often you can spot a coyote or bobcat that you have called in, that you have not seen while you were sitting or laying down.
 
Robert I must agree with you I run Fusion & external speaker full volume. Have never seen cats or coyotes shy away.
 
I called in 21 bobcats in 15 days in January to rabbit at high volume with no decoy.

General rule of thumb: No decoy needed for cats or coyotes, but especially coyotes. If they are close enough to see a decoy they are close enough to kill anyway. Why risk a flare off for no reason.
 
? For the guys that don't use a decoy. What kind of terrain are you hunting. I hunt in the east but have access to large flat fields surrounded by thick cover. I have always used a decoy, with some success. Do y'all call yotes out of thick cover, and into bare fields.
 
Originally Posted By: k9jones? For the guys that don't use a decoy. What kind of terrain are you hunting. I hunt in the east but have access to large flat fields surrounded by thick cover. I have always used a decoy, with some success. Do y'all call yotes out of thick cover, and into bare fields.

Absolutely, and when they come running into the call and see my decoy they flare off and run right back in the cover.
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