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I just found a load for my brother in laws 223 handi rifle. 24.7 gr of benchmark with 40 gr v-max. It is a full grain below minimum listed in lyman 48th. 1/2" groups at 100yds. 2.215 coal.Verymild shooting and accurate. He was looking for something in between before he reaches for his 22-250. My DPMS AR 15 223 likes 25.6 gr of bench mark with a midway 55gr sp seated to 2.260. It amazes me how one load is so darn accurate in one gun and not in another.