scent control

I know there are a lot of coyote hunter on the forum, we have a lot of very educated coyotes in sw Missouri, I don't do much coyote hunting anymore due to limited land access but I have run up a pretty good score on whitetail deer, 8 the last season and 5 so far this season. no I am not poaching just do a lot of archery hunting.



now to get to the jest of this post, this season I went to using a ozonic machine, killed the last 3 deer dead down wind. considering deer have about the same smell capibility of a coyote was wondering if anyone had tried an ozonic's machine on coyotes?
 
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I would say just the opposite... a coyotes sense of smell is at least as good as a deer if not better. I have had a coyote smell me from almost a 1/4 mile away.

Mostly I just shoot them before they smell me that way I don’t have to tote a machine around.... not that I really believe it will work anyway.

But I am glad that somebody does as our economy needs all the help it can get.
 
That seems like another bulky object to tote around. We usually do a fair amount of walking and the thought of that in my pack seems like a little much. I don't usually worry too much about scent control, the wind does that. But, I will spray a little scent killer on my outer clothes and boots in the morning before the first few sets.
 
To put in relation a coyote has the same sense of smell asa polor beer. They can smell seals breath from a mile a way under three feet of ice. Deer often dont care to much about smell. They are more curiouse about it unless they are very educated. I have shot several deer dead down wind. I have a shot a few coyotes down down wind too. Just depends on how skittish they are. Plane and simple your not going to fool a coyotes nose.
 
I laugh at the phrase "scent elimination" as it relates to coyotes. I promise you a coyote WILL smell you if it gets in your scent cone. And deer definately have an advanced olfactory system, but it doesn't hold a candle to a coyote.


Chupa
 
If you take a shower and wash your clothes you have about maximized your scent reduction. make wise set choices and dont move til needed. I have had both coyotes and whitetail deer under 2 feet away. Yes 2.
No need for a machine or extra cost.
 
This type of thread is sure to spark a big debate, it always does.
Let me first state that there is absolutely no way to 100% eliminate human or other odors that we carry on our bodies. Yes it would appear at times that you have done so. There are companies that make millions selling such products. Yes I also fell for it at one time. These days I use no scent remover or any other product to eliminate my odor. Now I’m not saying I don’t use scent free, deodorant and laundry soap, because I do. However it’s not for the reason most might think. It’s because they make me sneeze and itch! Michelle still uses scented products.
That said I do believe that some products can help in areas where animals constantly come in contact with human odor. In Texas for example most of our state is heavily populated. People walk their dogs, jog, farmers in the field, oil field workers etc. So it is not unusual for animals to cross human odor. I believe they learn to tell how long ago it was made and whether or not it’s acceptable to tolerate it. I also believe that some products may help to trick them into thinking you have been and gone. Trust me though most know you were there.
We as hunters tend to think inside the box, a one size fits all if you will. That’s not reality.
The reality is MOST coyotes have a highly developed sense of smell, as do hogs and deer. However there are many factors that affect how they react, in fact too many to list.
To start with No two animals have identical scenting capabilities. Take a prize litter of hound pups out of world class parents with an extraordinary sense of smell. You think all the pups in the litter will inherit this? NO some will and some will not. Then there are other factors that come into play as well. Say they all have an awesome sense of smell equal. Not all will be intelligent. Some will have the ability to discern immediately what they are smelling and some will not. Then you have as many personalities as there are in humans. You will have aggressive, passive, and timid to mention a few. Aggressive animals may smell you and decide to stand their ground. Passive may smell you and not care just ease away and timid may turn themselves inside out trying to leave. Now factor in conditioned response {educated} and the game changes even more.
Now you have to consider the wind. Sure it may be blowing from the south at 20 mph where you are sitting. But what is it doing 20 feet, yards, miles from you? I have two great examples of this from just that last two weeks.
I have a tripod set up for bow hunting on a major intersection. Problem is I can only hunt it with a North West wind. Well in Texas, the wind usually blows from the South. I pondered this set up for a few years now and decided to place another tripod on the North side of the trail. Problem is most of the animal’s bed just below the rim of the trail, downwind of my new stand. The first time I sat there I had 3 deer and a hog walk directly under me from downwind. How did this happen? I was in my work clothes after working all day {except for camo shirt}. I was by no means scent free. The tripod is on the edge of a huge drop off of which is lined with trees. My scent never makes it down to where the animals are bedded. It has a ramp effect right at my stand.
Second case was Wednesday as I hunted with 4 EOTech guys. We were using thermal devices to spot hogs and kill them. We spotted a group about a mile away, but our wind was wrong. By the time we got into position the hogs had dropped off in the river bottom. I told the guys I would call them back out into the open. They all said they are straight down wind of us. I told them it should work anyway and it did! They couldn’t believe it. For one thing three of them didn’t believe you could call a hog and the wind appeared to be wrong. After it was all over I showed them why they didn’t get our wind. I kicked the dirt sending a cloud of dust straight downwind of us for about 20 yards then as if by magic it took a hard left turn. You see when the wind hits the river it changes send a current the other direction. Had I not known the lay of the land I would have just given up because the wind was wrong.
As stated I just don’t buy into completely fooling their noses. There are times when you may think you have by using some fancy product. Most of the time though there are things in play you haven’t considered or weren’t aware of. By all means if it gives you the confidence to be successful, use it. I myself work and hunt on the same day. Most of the time I don’t have time for a bath in between, nor do I have the money for all the gizmos, gadgets and spray.
Just my .02
 
We have used large o3 units in the construction industry for a long time. Use it to kill mold, mildew and the smell that comes with it in basements before finishing. In duct work for the same. And after a home fire before reconstruction to kill the odor of smoke. The water treatment departments inject ozone to kill odors in drinking water. It is widely used and it works.

I have a finished room and full bath (man cave) in my barn, it's where all of my hunting clothes and equipment stay. I use one of our units in the clothes closet during hunting seasons. If you have never smelled clothes after a ozone treatment of an industrial sized unit, I would liken it to the smell of rain. Do these things neutralize odor? Absolutely. Would I go through all the trouble of taking one of those hang in the tree ozonic units to the field with me? No way! Do I think you can fool a coyote, deer or hogs nose? Not completely. But ya just might fool 'em into thinking you were there hours ago
 
Originally Posted By: KYHILLBILLYI usually stand by the fire in the smoke for about ten minutes....I like to think that it covers whatever existing odor I may have....

Nope.


Chupa
 
If Your Coyote Hunting out of the same trees,ground blind or area You Deer Hunt why not use the Ozonics if it works?

Personally I use the same tactics for Coyote Hunting as I use in Deer Hunting....I wash my clothes in scent free detergent,hang dry or use an earth scented dryer sheet then keep my clothes outside and spray down with scent-killer spray,I have rubber hunting boots I use for only Hunting and I spray them down with scent-killer and walk thru the fallen persimmons when possible.

Anything You can do to keep Your scent down while Coyote/Predator Hunting is to Your advantage....if You add up all the money spent on scent killing products an Ozonics Unit is probably not too far out of a Persons Price Range!
 
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+1 with guess.
I have never had a coyote blow at me like a deer. As we know the coyote is gone "He Gone" the second they smell us.
I was in law enforcement and trained the police K-9's. We really have no idea how great these dogs can smell. I think we have a good estimate of how strong there olfactory system is.
It's a very good question and a great topic to talk about.
 
I think one thing to keep in mind, Although Ozone is very effective in it's odor killing ability (mold, mildew, bacteria and even insects) shock treatment levels have to be achieved for this to happen. And to obtain these levels it has to be confined. At shock treatment levels ozone is very harmful to humans because O3 kills good bacteria as well as bad. Breathing these levels for any extended amount of time would not be good for you!
I'm a firm believer in ozone, but I am skeptical on how effective the small (safe) amount of ozone in a unconfined area (hung in a tree) would be.
 
Originally Posted By: Wallbass45Originally Posted By: GCBacon...
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Aint it the truth!!! LMAO



Take care, Willie
 
Guess has it right. There are a lot of variables and when I hear some shot some critter straight downwind using XYZ product I have to laugh as I know the product had nothing or very little to do with it.

To add to what Glenn said I drove my vehicle down a dirt two track that only gets a vehicle maybe a dozen times a year. This was before daylight and I parked and walked back to an overlook where I could see almost a mile back the way I came from. As it got good light I saw a coyote walking down from the ridge and when it hit my vehicle’s scent he stopped and checked it out and proceeded on his way. 15 minutes later here come a groups of Hogs and the first few that crossed my vehicle tracks were young one’s and they paid no attention. But when a big ole sow hit my vehicle’s tracks she whirled and ran back the way they came from and all the others turned and followed her.
They were 1/4 mile upwind from me so they were just reacting to a vehicle passing where it was unusual.
I will be sure and ask for a Ozonic flux capacitor on my next vehicle.
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Or just tie bacon to my antenna.
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Originally Posted By: wdenikeOriginally Posted By: Wallbass45Originally Posted By: GCBacon...
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Don't waist the Bacon!
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Aint it the truth!!! LMAO



Take care, Willie

 


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