scope identification

lighterknot

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my dad called me and asked me about a brand of scope he heard a guy praising in his deer lease...he said the guy pronounced it "cale" but isn't sure how it is spelled. Can anyone point me in the right direction to get some more info on this brand for him.
Thanks
 
thanks for the link, they look nice and he is getting a little uppity in his old age and is looking for something around the $800 range...his main concern is light gathering ability, and allthough he has gone to canada on a couple hunts and may go on hunts where he needs the higher magnification or windage adjustment, he just wants a plain jane scope somewhere in the 2-10 or 12 power range(variable) with anywhere from a 40 to 50mm obj that is going to gather the most light. any suggestions? a friend of his who was a big time swarovsky guy bought one of these kahles scopes and swears their is a huge difference in the light it gathers and the clarity...i told my dad if he wanted more light he would need to upgrade to a 30mm tube, but I don't know enough about scopes to know if that was really a correct statement or not.
 
i would say that is a correct statement. i think he needs to buy a leupold. in my opinion they are the best. made in usa also.
 
no a whole lot of difference in the light gathering abilities between the 1" and 30mm scopes in a quality optic, the main difference is the amount of adjustment, quality scopes with quality coatings are about equal, the human eye pupil can only dialate so large (about 5mm) so any exit pupil larger than that is just paying big money for light that your eye can't see.
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ok i am not as "versed" when it comes to scopes as i should be. when you say "exit pupil" what would that be and how would i know how to measure it or how much of "it" a certain scope has?

thanks for being patient with me on this one
 
Divide the objective diameter by the magnification and the result is the exit pupil, the size of the beam of light (the image) being projected into your eye. The bigger the better, up to a point. 7mm is typically the biggest iris opening a human eye has, and as we get older, that gets smaller. So in your 20s, 7mm may be worth having, but in your 40s you may be able to use only 4 or 5 mm.

That's why traditionally 7x50mm binoculars were the standard for maritime use, because they would be doing watch at night, (50mm divided by 7x magnification = approx. 7.1mm exit pupil.) Of course on a variable magnification scope, the exit pupil varies with the setting.

In comparing scopes, all else being equal, the larger the objective bell, the more light that can be gathered and a 30mm tube allows more of that gathered light to be transmitted to the eye than a 1 inch tube would, but all else probably isn't equal.

The dimensions offer potential light gathering and light transmission, but a manufacturer can waste some of that potential or make the most of smaller dimensions depending on the quality of the glass and the quality and type of coatings on the lenses and the finish on the interior of the tube. (I'm not suggesting Kahles don't use top quality glass and coatings - at their prices, they should be right up there.) If your pupil can only dilate to 5mm, like Ridge Runner said, a 7mm exit pupil is partly wasted, and you would get a better picture from a manufacturer that made you a 4x20 scope and put in top quality glass and coatings than from someone who just jumped on the bandwagon of 50mm objectives and a 30mm tubes and didn't pay attention to the quality of glass and coatings. And it doesn't matter how big the objective lens or the tube is if some other part of the mechanism fails.

There is a fashion for larger objective bells and now the larger 30mm tube which is probably driven at least in part by the expensive and revered European brand names like Zeiss, Swarovski, and Kahles, but in Europe there is probably proportionally more hunting in the dark than there is in N. America and it may not be what you need. (I myself even have a Bushnell Trophy model with a 30mm tube, but I bought it because I like the magnification range on the particular model and the uncommon reticle it has and it was on sale for a price appropriate for the applciation I had in mind.)
 
The Tooner, thanks for taking the time to type all that...i knew bits and pieces of that infor but you really filled in the blanks for me. Thanks /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Kahles is an old company that is now owned by swarovski. They look good and the warranty should be great also. The Leupold is very good to for less money. The Vx-III 3.5-10x40 Leupold is my favorite for hunting.
 


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