Scope question: 3-9 or 4.5-14x for coyotes??

kilk14

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Well, my other question was answered in an above post about the Nikon BDC vs. the Burris Ballistic Plex, but my other question is: Would there be any reason to need a 14x scope for strictly coyote hunting vs. a 9x?? I know I know, it would be much nicer because you can zoom in farther etc...BUT do you need it for any particular reason? I'll be shooting a .22-250
 
3x9 is the ideal scope for yote hunting IMO, you put it on 3x and you can be ready for any shots out to 200 yards or more, and also be good for close shots, a 3x9 will have a wider field of view on the low end than a 4.5-14 scope will, my scope almost always stays on 3x, I have a custom built 270 win with zeiss conquest 3x9x40 with a elevation only target turret installed, I used this combo on friday to successfully wack a coyote at a lazered 666 yards. 9x worked fine at this range
 
I would go with the 14x for sure. You don't have to be always be on the highest setting. But for setting it in on paper or if you ever need a little more power its there. You can always turn it down but if its not there you can't turn it up.
 
Probably comes down to personal preference and comfort as much as anything else. A vast majority of what I call in are within 10-100 yards so for my needs my 2x7 works well enough although a 3x9 wouldn't change things much. I have hunted with people that can't stand to not have the ability to dial it up to 18 and I am sure there are plenty of folks out there who are in positions where the extra power is needed. Best to take a look at your own needs for what you use.
 
I agree with the 3-9 power for yotes and hogs. I was hunting hogs last week in S. Texas and the terrain was such that all I needed was 3X.
 
With the range capabilities of the 250, the 14 power would be a good asset for those that hang up. on the low end, there is not enough difference to be noticeble. In my younger days a 3-9 was all I needed. As my eyes have aged, I really like the 4.5-14's
 
Well, I live in Tennessee, but from what I saw in SD last summer, I wouldn't hesitate to go with a larger power. You guys got some long distance shooting out there.
 
I have 4x12 leupold vx-ll on my kimber 22-250. works great i can hit at 400yrds. If money is not a problem get a 12 or 14 power, like Killing crew said better to have to much, than not enough. You can always turn it down, but you can only crank it up so far.

I have never shot a coydog at 400yrds. But I know I can if need be..

Hope it helps..
 
i had a 4.5 x 14 burris fullfeild 2 mildot on my xr100 range master 22-250 and would not have traded it for anything on 14 power i could use my mildot and @100
1.25 Low @200 .50 high @300 dead on @400 2 inch high
@500 it was about 2 inches low someone said something about 270 the balistics match the burris in 270 it's like @100 0 @200 .5 high @300 0 @400 0 @500 1" low my XR 100 would shoot 5 shoot group @500 i could cover with my hand..
unfortunatly i took it off my XR and put it on my AR it shoots pretty good too i can hit a 5 gal bucket @500 pretty good and got alot of shots to do it in . been aiming to get anothe burris for my XR just not had the money i want t he 6 X 24 myself for the 22-250 shooting 3-4" groups @500 yard with a 14 power scope the gun has more capabilty than the scope and the shooter.....
 
Normally I would suggest a 3x9, but considering you live in SD I think the higher power might be a better choice for your area.

In my area the higher power would often be a nuisance, but in the open country, it could be very beneficial, so it really depends on the terrain in your area.
 
Personally I like a wide field of view scope and always look at field of view specs rather than power specs for a calling rifle. I've used both 2 by 7's and 3 by 9's and found that out to 450 yards 7 or 9 power is plenty for coyotes. Right now I have a 2 by 9 on the calling gun. My hunting partner just put one of Burris's new 4.5 to 14 on his identical CZ 527 in 204 Ruger. I haven't shot this rifle yet, but we'll see how it does this winter. It's sure a dandy scope.

Put which ever one you feel more comfortable with on and see how it shakes out. If you call them in close and are missing a percentage of them because you can't get on them quick enough then you will know if you need a wider field of view than you have.

I change out my low powered zoom in the spring for an 8 by 32 target dot scope for ground squirrel use. I've never been the "one scope does it all" kinda guy.

Here's the spring setup.

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My Grand babies setup for calling and deer hunting is a Weaver 3 by 9 classic on a Ruger #1 243.

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Since I have lived here in SD for about 5 years now, I think I know what your up against. I would want more than 9X on the high end for P-Dogs, jackrabbits, and coyotes that won't come in close sometimes.

I like the Mueller 4-16X50 AO-IGR Illuminated Mil-Dot. It works at dawn and dusk when the reticle starts to fade with my old eyes. You can use the mil-dots like a balistic Plex with a little practice. With even more practice, you can use them for ranging your targets. For around $200, you get a lifetime, no hassle warranty.

You would also do well with the Leupold 4.5-14X40mm or 50mm if you want better optics, side focus, and the varmint hunters reticle, and can stand the $680-$770 price tag. The 6.5-20X50mm is great as well, but if your concentrating on coyotes, and still want to shoot other smaller varmints, I would opt for the 4X-16X range.
 
The only problem I have with the 4.5-14 is the loss of field of View. The VXI 4-12 and the VXII 4-12 have the same FOV as the 3-9. Both are great calling scopes. Also.....For calling I would avoid the adjustable objective.
 
I have Leupold 3-9x40, 3.5-10x40 & 4.5-14x40. The 3.5-10 is by far my favorite. The 4.5-14 works but is hard to get on target with slightly less field of view close range.
 
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Well, my other question was answered in an above post about the Nikon BDC vs. the Burris Ballistic Plex, but my other question is: Would there be any reason to need a 14x scope for strictly coyote hunting vs. a 9x?? I know I know, it would be much nicer because you can zoom in farther etc...BUT do you need it for any particular reason? I'll be shooting a .22-250



You don't mention what kind of coyote hunting you're going to be doing? Are you going to be calling, shooting over baits, hunting with hounds? If you're hunting over a bait (dead cattle, hogs, deer, etc.), you could have shots going out past 400 yards simply due to a lack of cover. A 9x scope makes a 500 yard coyote look like he's a little over 50 yards away. A 14x scope makes him look like he's a little over 30 yards. Can you hold precisely enough with iron sights on a 50 yard coyote? If not and if this is the kind of shooting you're likely to be doing on at least a somewhat regular basis, then get the 14x. You'll have a longer, heavier scope but what the heck, you'll feel more confident when you take the shot.
For calling though, most shots are under 300 yards, well under 300 yards. You're more likely to need to deal with coyotes popping up (seemingly) out of nowhere and it's situations like these where a wider field of view is so valuable. Some people even use low end variables (1.5x-4.5x) with good results out to 300 yards. There's alot to be said for low end variables (lighter, fast sight acquisition, easier to make running shots). Still, there's one area where the low end models are NOT at their best and that's in low light. In the Gun Digest Book of Sporting Optics, Wayne Van Zwoll writes that the very best power for low light situations from a regular sized tube and regular sized objective lense is 6x-7x depending on the particular scope. The Europeans use 8x scopes in their enormous tubed/objective models but for OUR typical AMERICAN scopes, if you're hunting low light, you will DEFINITELY want to have 6x-7x. Therefore, seems to me that when you consider field of view AND magnification, it's mighty hard to beat either a 2x-7x or a 3x-9x. If I was doing more hunting in and around brush, I'd go with the former. If the hunting was more open ground, I'd go with the latter. This is for a simon-pure CALLING rifle mind you. If you're well set up, you shouldn't be getting too many critters hanging up much past 300 yards. If so, I'd be wondering about my set-ups. Good camo, scent control, decoys and sounds can do alot to bring coyotes in under 300 yards.
Having a 4.5x-14x for occasional dead bait shooting OR for cross-over hunting (ground squirrels, woodchucks, etc.) is one thing and a good choice (when all those factors are considered) but for JUST calling, a lighter, smaller 2x-7x or 3x-9x makes more sense. --- Mike
 
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...I used this combo on friday to successfully wack a coyote at a lazered 666 yards...



I guess you could call that one a "devil dog"... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Can't see the need to buy a scope more powerful than 9X.

If your a real good, long range shooter and understand bullet drop, wind drift etc, then I might go with the bigger scope.

If not, don't waste the money, just get a quality 3x9 and both Nikon and Burris make a good scope.

I have the burris 3x9 with ballisticplex reticle. I've whacked a couple coyotes past 300 yards thanks to that reticle...
 


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