I am ready to get a scope ring lapping Kit. I have looked at the Wheeler kit with the alignment pins and bar and some others with just the lapping bar. Are the pins important? I understand they show you how far the rings are off but if you are going to lap them anyway what is the difference? Do you even use the pins to check?
Scope Ring Lapping
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bruce_ventura
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Unfortunately, the Wheeler and similar pointed alignment bars only tell half the story about ring alignment. The best alignment bars are from Kokopelli, but they're pricey.
If you're using dovetails or two piece bases, then I recommend you buy the Kokopelli accurizing kit which includes the lapping and alignment bars (about $100 plus shipping).
Have you bought your scope yet?
If you're using dovetails or two piece bases, then I recommend you buy the Kokopelli accurizing kit which includes the lapping and alignment bars (about $100 plus shipping).
Have you bought your scope yet?
knockemdown
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I never lapped a ring in my life, although I could see where bedding a one pc. base has merit.
Buy quality bases & rings, and torque them to spec. If it makes you feel better about life, then lap away. Just realize that you may have just limited the use of those rings to that particular rifle/scope combo...
Buy quality bases & rings, and torque them to spec. If it makes you feel better about life, then lap away. Just realize that you may have just limited the use of those rings to that particular rifle/scope combo...
skinney
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Originally Posted By: bruce_venturaUnfortunately, the Wheeler and similar pointed alignment bars only tell half the story about ring alignment. The best alignment bars are from Kokopelli, but they're pricey.
Kokopelli, makes a great product as well, the only reason I didn't do a video using their product is because I only have the Kokopelli kit for my 35mm rings, and I know not many people have 35mm tubes or want to purchase a 150$ lapping kit for one specified tube measurement, I 100% agree with you, the Koko method is superior.
Originally Posted By: knockemdown Just realize that you may have just limited the use of those rings to that particular rifle/scope combo...
many people don't realize this!!! most ALL receivers have minor inaccuracies in them, if you don't take the error out of your base or top of your receiver by bedding, then all your doing is lapping your rings to fit that specified base or receiver, and might as well keep those rings designated to that weapon. By bedding your base and taking the error out, all I'm basically doing is lapping my rings for surface contact with my tube, the more surface area touching the better hold on the optic.
Kokopelli, makes a great product as well, the only reason I didn't do a video using their product is because I only have the Kokopelli kit for my 35mm rings, and I know not many people have 35mm tubes or want to purchase a 150$ lapping kit for one specified tube measurement, I 100% agree with you, the Koko method is superior.
Originally Posted By: knockemdown Just realize that you may have just limited the use of those rings to that particular rifle/scope combo...
many people don't realize this!!! most ALL receivers have minor inaccuracies in them, if you don't take the error out of your base or top of your receiver by bedding, then all your doing is lapping your rings to fit that specified base or receiver, and might as well keep those rings designated to that weapon. By bedding your base and taking the error out, all I'm basically doing is lapping my rings for surface contact with my tube, the more surface area touching the better hold on the optic.
bruce_ventura
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You can use Kokopelli alignment bars to actually measure the misalignment so that you can assess if shimming or bedding two piece bases is necessary before lapping. If you just start lapping, you could end up taking too much material off, which causes other problems. Granted, a properly installed (usually shimmed or bedded) one piece Weaver/Picarinny base usually gets the ring alignment very close, but some folks prefer other types of bases.
The misalignment between rings can be either a lateral offset between the ring axes or an angular misalignment, or both, The Wheeler pointed ends tell you if there is a lateral offset, but not how much (you can't easily or accurately measure the offset between the points). The flat ends tell you if there is an angular misalignment, and with a good set of feeler gauges you can measure it. So, you need to install them both ways.
The Kokopelli bars allow you to measure both lateral and angular misalignments. They also include a long rod that fits in the end of one bar and allows you to accurately align dovetail and other rotating rings to the barrel. A simple design that works really well.
The misalignment between rings can be either a lateral offset between the ring axes or an angular misalignment, or both, The Wheeler pointed ends tell you if there is a lateral offset, but not how much (you can't easily or accurately measure the offset between the points). The flat ends tell you if there is an angular misalignment, and with a good set of feeler gauges you can measure it. So, you need to install them both ways.
The Kokopelli bars allow you to measure both lateral and angular misalignments. They also include a long rod that fits in the end of one bar and allows you to accurately align dovetail and other rotating rings to the barrel. A simple design that works really well.
bruce_ventura
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Skinney, I just saw your post. I couldn't agree more.
Buster Hindend
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Skinney, do you eat small children for breakfast?
You are a beast my friend!!!!!!!!!!!
You are a beast my friend!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: Buster HindendSkinney, do you eat small children for breakfast?
You are a beast my friend!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!
its the corn from my fields and the beef from our pastures, plus I think they put something in the water
I'm afraid to meet him when I move out that way. My 5'9" 160 lb frame will look like a willow next to him! LOL
You are a beast my friend!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!
its the corn from my fields and the beef from our pastures, plus I think they put something in the water
I'm afraid to meet him when I move out that way. My 5'9" 160 lb frame will look like a willow next to him! LOL
Buster Hindend
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Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: Buster HindendSkinney, do you eat small children for breakfast?
You are a beast my friend!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!
its the corn from my fields and the beef from our pastures, plus I think they put something in the water
Yeah something in the water, plenty of "IRON" perhaps
You ain't foolin no one, why I bet your shoelaces can bench 180
You are a beast my friend!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!
its the corn from my fields and the beef from our pastures, plus I think they put something in the water
Yeah something in the water, plenty of "IRON" perhaps
You ain't foolin no one, why I bet your shoelaces can bench 180
Ridgeline17
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Excellent video,and a real nice set up,Skinny. That was very informative and well put together. Looks like somebody has been to Instructor school. I appreciate that.
Jerry Tracy
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Nice video. Skinney my arse!!
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