Serial Numbers

RTLOF18918B

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Does anyone know when serial numbers were required to be stamped on firearms?

I have a Springfield 86C .22 RF rifle that has no serial number on it and I have looked everywhere on this rifle including removing the stock. It was handed down to me from my grandmother who got it from her father at the age of 9. That would be in 1930 +/- a year or so. She is still with us. She told me that he bought it from someone in the Oklahoma oil fields years before that. The rifle shoots lights out and is still one of my favorites to shoot. I'm trying to find a value on it.( It is not going anywhere). I'm just trying to find some history on it.

Thanks,

Tony
 
Originally Posted By: RTLOF18918B Does anyone know when serial numbers were required to be stamped on firearms?

I have a Springfield 86C .22 RF rifle that has no serial number on it and I have looked everywhere on this rifle including removing the stock. It was handed down to me from my grandmother who got it from her father at the age of 9. That would be in 1930 +/- a year or so. She is still with us. She told me that he bought it from someone in the Oklahoma oil fields years before that. The rifle shoots lights out and is still one of my favorites to shoot. I'm trying to find a value on it.( It is not going anywhere). I'm just trying to find some history on it.

Thanks,

Tony

I believe it was 1964, in the Johnson, "1964 Gun Control Act." - prior to that, 22s didn't need to be numbered and only the good ones were numbered.


 
Originally Posted By: CatShooterOriginally Posted By: RTLOF18918B Does anyone know when serial numbers were required to be stamped on firearms?

I have a Springfield 86C .22 RF rifle that has no serial number on it and I have looked everywhere on this rifle including removing the stock. It was handed down to me from my grandmother who got it from her father at the age of 9. That would be in 1930 +/- a year or so. She is still with us. She told me that he bought it from someone in the Oklahoma oil fields years before that. The rifle shoots lights out and is still one of my favorites to shoot. I'm trying to find a value on it.( It is not going anywhere). I'm just trying to find some history on it.

Thanks,


Tony

I believe it was 1964, in the Johnson, "1964 Gun Control Act." - prior to that, 22s didn't need to be numbered and only the good ones were numbered.




Almost right. You are seldom mistaken. Cat.
It was 1968. The gun Control Act of 1968.

I have a High Standard "Riot 20-6" that was manufactured W/O a serial #. I did at one time own a Colt .22 semi-auto (I think it was manufactured by Glenfield) that was also manufactured W/O a serial #.
I remember when the Gun Control Act of 1968 went in effect. It was December of '68. Just a couple of days after it passed I walked into Carolina Hardware in Sumter, SC to buy a Ruger Bearcat. I had been saving my nickles and dimes for quite a while. When I tried to buy it. I was told my dad would have to come in to buy it. Because of the new gun control act one had to be 21 to buy a handgun. I was so disappointed I never went back. It was one of those things I wanted to do on my own.
As a side note the The Omnibus Crime Act of 1934 was the first Federal law that dealt with firearms at all.
IIRC it made it illegal for mobsters to have machine guns.
 
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Tony, My old Springfield/Savage 39A .22lr has no serial numbers...I've had it since 1951...I used to work for Sears many years ago and most of their long guns (when they carried them) didn't have serial numbers either...Except for the high dollar Ted Williams series..
 


The Gun Control Act of 1968. Made it mandatory that serial number be placed on firearms. Winchester, Colt and all the major arms manufactures had been numbering firearms for many years. They numbered firearms so they could keep records. Up until then they did not keep records of cheaper firearms.

Winchester keep number records of model 70’s, from day one. Same for 1894’s, 1885’s and many more. Serial numbers was set by the government during the World War’s for war production.

Take the Winchester model 67 and 67A single shot 22’s. The only one that was numbered was the exported firearms. Then, the 1968 Gun control act this also controlled serial numbers for class III weapons. Stopping all new serial numbers for class III weapons. Stopping the manufacturing of class III weapons.

The Gun “Control” Act. The word CONTROL was used to control not guns but to control us.

We need new Gun Laws to insure are rights not to take them away.
 
Originally Posted By: NcWhitetail
Almost right. You are seldom mistaken. Cat.
It was 1968. The gun Control Act of 1968.

I have a High Standard "Riot 20-6" that was manufactured W/O a serial #. I did at one time own a Colt .22 semi-auto (I think it was manufactured by Glenfield) that was also manufactured W/O a serial #.
I remember when the Gun Control Act of 1968 went in effect. It was December of '68. Just a couple of days after it passed I walked into Carolina Hardware in Sumter, SC to buy a Ruger Bearcat. I had been saving my nickles and dimes for quite a while. When I tried to buy it. I was told my dad would have to come in to buy it. Because of the new gun control act one had to be 21 to buy a handgun. I was so disappointed I never went back. It was one of those things I wanted to do on my own.
As a side note the The Omnibus Crime Act of 1934 was the first Federal law that dealt with firearms at all. IIRC it made it illegal for mobsters to have machine guns.

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That is why I said "I think"... cuz I knew it was Johnson, and I associate Johnson with 1964, but something didn't sound right. I was a Grasshopper in the gun business at the time, and it hurt us badly.

Willy...

"... Then, the 1968 Gun control act this also controlled serial numbers for class III weapons. Stopping all new serial numbers for class III weapons. Stopping the manufacturing of class III weapons."

It wasn't the GCA '68 that stopped Class III firearms, it was the...

"Machine Gun Ban: The Hughes Amendment

As debate for FOPA was in its final stages in the House before moving on to the Senate, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed several amendments including House Amendment 777 to H.R. 4332 [4] that would ban a civilian from ownership or transfer rights of any fully automatic weapon which was not registered as of May 19, 1986. The amendment also held that any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff date could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians.

In the morning hours of April 10, 1986, the House held recorded votes on three amendments to FOPA in Record Vote No's 72, 73, and 74. Recorded Vote 72 was on H.AMDT. 776, an amendment to H.AMDT 770 involving the interstate sale of handguns; while Recorded Vote 74 was on H.AMDT 770, involving primarily the easing of interstate sales and the safe passage provision. Recorded Vote 74 was the controversial Hughes Amendment that called for the banning of machine guns. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), at the time presiding as Chairman over the proceedings, claimed that the "amendment in the nature of a substitute, as amended, was agreed to." However, after the voice vote on the Hughes Amendment, Rangel ignored a plea to take a recorded vote and moved on to Recorded Vote 74 where the Hughes Amendment failed.[5][6] The bill, H.R. 4332, as a whole passed in Record Vote No: 75 on a motion to recommit. Despite the controversial amendment, the Senate, in S.B. 49, adopted H.R. 4332 as an amendment to the final bill. The bill was subsequently passed and signed on May 19, 1986 by President Ronald Reagan to become Public Law 99-308, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act."

.. so in the act of "protecting us", we got screwed.

What is now a $800 class III gun (MP-5, wholesale price) is now a $30,000 gun to a civilian, and, for the most part, unless you are very lucky and find a one of the few rare, pre-'86 ones, you caaaaaan't have one!

The FOPA is one of the two serious mistakes Reagan made.

 


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