Serious inaccuracies of the Pulsar in the characteristics of the series 2?

Ernest49

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Unfortunately, having a mathematical background, I have the same character as Kirsch and therefore I can't stand and get angry because of inaccuracies, approximations and incomplete descriptions. On this official Pulsar website, the 3 brand new 2 series thermal devices are touted, with NETD
 
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The Pulsar website descriptions are full of discrepancies...before I purchased my Thermion XP50, information from others indicated that the Thermion did not have Recoil Activated Video(RAV) but the Pulsar website listed it as having the RAV function. I know the people that had already purchased the Thermion knew what they were talking about but found it odd that the website said differently...ironically shortly after I mentioned this obvious discrepancy, the website no longer listed it as such.
It is really sad that Pulsar didn't write the RAV function into the Thermion firmware...I have used it on my Trail extensively without problems and found it to be a real convenience. I have gotten only one video with my Thermion because I can never seem to remember to press the record button...too many years of using the RAV function with the Trail that I cannot make myself remember to hit record on the Thermion...it is so simple and works. Would like them to do a firmware update to the Thermion to incorporate this function, but I cannot seem to find a way to get this message thru to Pulsar. If one is not a fan of the RAV function, you don't have to use it but it would be nice to at least have it available...don't know why they decided to leave it out.
End of rant!
 
Some of the discrepancies you may be seeing could be due to the fact that that Pulsar has two different websites. A European website and a US website. Not all US models are the same as the Euro models and vice versa. I'm aware of some mistakes as the US website isn't perfect but there always seem to be differences between the two websites.

www.pulsar-nv.com (European)
www.pulsarnv.com (US)

I only use the US website because the models in Europe can vary to what we get here in the states. Hope this helps.
 
Originally Posted By: NGI_TOMSome of the discrepancies you may be seeing could be due to the fact that that Pulsar has two different websites. A European website and a US website. Not all US models are the same as the Euro models and vice versa. I'm aware of some mistakes as the US website isn't perfect but there always seem to be differences between the two websites.

www.pulsar-nv.com (European)
www.pulsarnv.com (US)

I only use the US website because the models in Europe can vary to what we get here in the states. Hope this helps.
Tom, any chance you can inquire/request Pulsar to write some RAV firmware for the Thermion? Surely if the Trails can be updated for it the Thermion can too...???
 
Originally Posted By: Ernest49 Instead, if the report is made by Kirsch or Tom Austin, perhaps they listen to them and remedy these very serious inaccuracies. You give me too much credit. I don’t make excuses for Pulsar but I will say they are in transition with some of these models so it could be part of it.
 
Don't underestimate yourself Kirsch! The Belarusians of Pulsar will surely read your reports and will have high regard for you, even if they don't want to show it.

The American site

https://pulsarnv.com

seems to me to be a website with less detail of features. It looks more like a commercial site. In fact, the prices of all devices are shown, but there are no new models in the 2 series with NETD
 
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Ernest49, I agree completely on the RAV time.

I will preface that ATN is far inferior to the Pulsar product, but it was nice in the ATN to be able to select how many seconds prior to the RAV being activated, as well as and how many seconds after you wanted it to record.

At minimum, you would think you would want 30 seconds prior to the shot kicking on the video to get some pre-footage of the shot.

When I get RAV video it seems like it is right as I'm taking the shot, or shortly before. Not enough, unfortunately. That's just my personal experience.
 
Originally Posted By: Ernest49Don't underestimate yourself Kirsch! The Belarusians of Pulsar will surely read your reports and will have high regard for you, even if they don't want to show it.

The American site

https://pulsarnv.com

seems to me to be a website with less detail of features. It looks more like a commercial site. In fact, the prices of all devices are shown, but there are no new models in the 2 series with NETD
 
Originally Posted By: IndyoteErnest49, I agree completely on the RAV time.

I will preface that ATN is far inferior to the Pulsar product, but it was nice in the ATN to be able to select how many seconds prior to the RAV being activated, as well as and how many seconds after you wanted it to record.

At minimum, you would think you would want 30 seconds prior to the shot kicking on the video to get some pre-footage of the shot.

When I get RAV video it seems like it is right as I'm taking the shot, or shortly before. Not enough, unfortunately. That's just my personal experience.
The RAV gives you at least 10 seconds of video prior to the shot...you don't miss a thing. This is what is nice and convenient about it. It is explained in the manual.
 
Now I finally understand why you love the RAV function so much! There must be a very sophisticated software that continuously activates a pre-recording and that after 10 seconds, continuously deletes the seconds prior to the last 10, always keeping only the last 10 in memory, so that at the time of the shot has always memorized the last 10 seconds before. Truly remarkable! Big congratulations to those who designed this software !!
 
Ernest, I believe you are correct. The recording must be continuous and overwritten in order to save a portion beginning before the shot activates the save function.
 
Yes, if RAV is activated, it is always recording in the event a shot is detected. For Pulsar, it originally was 3 seconds before to 3 minutes after. They must have gotten some feedback because it changed to 10 seconds before and 3 minutes after during one of the firmware updates.

For the Flir PTS series, it allows setting a before time and after. ATN I believe you could set the time as well. I found all three to be very questionable. The best of the bunch was the Flir version as you could actually set a different sensitivity based on different recoil. However, they were all flaky.

What I did on my Flir was to leave RAV on, and if I had enough time, I would turn the video recording on manually. If the device was recording, then RAV is disabled until the recording is manually stopped again. This way I could dictate how long to record, but if a coyote came in really fast and I didn't get time to manually record, I would still get most of the surprised coyotes on video with RAV. However, the highest % of times any of my scopes locked up was during RAV functionality on all 3 brands.
 
When I first started trying to record video I could not remember to turn the dvr on when a coyote/s started coming in. I guess it was just too much adrenaline rush. So, I just started turning the recorder on when the stand started and running it throughout. I saw a lot of things on the video that I missed on the hunt, but it took a lot of battery doing that.

I've finally calmed down enough to remember to flip the switch and that I have about a 5 second delay before record starts. Wish I could say that I always remember, but I'd still have to say I remember most of the time.
 
Originally Posted By: G AndersonOriginally Posted By: IndyoteErnest49, I agree completely on the RAV time.

I will preface that ATN is far inferior to the Pulsar product, but it was nice in the ATN to be able to select how many seconds prior to the RAV being activated, as well as and how many seconds after you wanted it to record.

At minimum, you would think you would want 30 seconds prior to the shot kicking on the video to get some pre-footage of the shot.

When I get RAV video it seems like it is right as I'm taking the shot, or shortly before. Not enough, unfortunately. That's just my personal experience.
The RAV gives you at least 10 seconds of video prior to the shot...you don't miss a thing. This is what is nice and convenient about it. It is explained in the manual.

10 seconds isn't enough in my opinion. If you shoot a predator on RAV and you're lucky for it to be DRT, you just enjoyed a 15 second video clip. I've had several RAV videos that did not capture 10 seconds prior to the shot. Don't know if I have a faulty unit or what the reasoning is. There has also been numerous times the RAV didn't activate the video. I'm shooting a .223, so don't know if that's the issue or what.

I'm opposite of you G Anderson. I would much rather watch the behavior of the animal coming into the call. Whether it's 30 seconds, a minute, or whatever people prefer.

I've chose to avoid RAV and manually hit record (if I'm able to hit record in time). I can always crop a video down. What I can't do is add to a video that never recorded. RAV just ends up being a insurance policy if I forget to hit record, or didn't have time to do it. If the time parameters were changed or adjustable......I'd use it a lot more. Just my $.02
 
Originally Posted By: Ernest49Now I finally understand why you love the RAV function so much! There must be a very sophisticated software that continuously activates a pre-recording and that after 10 seconds, continuously deletes the seconds prior to the last 10, always keeping only the last 10 in memory, so that at the time of the shot has always memorized the last 10 seconds before. Truly remarkable! Big congratulations to those who designed this software !!
Yes Ernest, that is exactly what it does...it is a very nice feature...set it and forget it! Hard to imagine them not including it on the Thermion...it really makes no sense at all. Hopefully it will eventually be added in a firmware update somewhere along the way.
 
Originally Posted By: IndyoteOriginally Posted By: G AndersonOriginally Posted By: IndyoteErnest49, I agree completely on the RAV time.

I will preface that ATN is far inferior to the Pulsar product, but it was nice in the ATN to be able to select how many seconds prior to the RAV being activated, as well as and how many seconds after you wanted it to record.

At minimum, you would think you would want 30 seconds prior to the shot kicking on the video to get some pre-footage of the shot.

When I get RAV video it seems like it is right as I'm taking the shot, or shortly before. Not enough, unfortunately. That's just my personal experience.
The RAV gives you at least 10 seconds of video prior to the shot...you don't miss a thing. This is what is nice and convenient about it. It is explained in the manual.

10 seconds isn't enough in my opinion. If you shoot a predator on RAV and you're lucky for it to be DRT, you just enjoyed a 15 second video clip. I've had several RAV videos that did not capture 10 seconds prior to the shot. Don't know if I have a faulty unit or what the reasoning is. There has also been numerous times the RAV didn't activate the video. I'm shooting a .223, so don't know if that's the issue or what.

I'm opposite of you G Anderson. I would much rather watch the behavior of the animal coming into the call. Whether it's 30 seconds, a minute, or whatever people prefer.

I've chose to avoid RAV and manually hit record (if I'm able to hit record in time). I can always crop a video down. What I can't do is add to a video that never recorded. RAV just ends up being a insurance policy if I forget to hit record, or didn't have time to do it. If the time parameters were changed or adjustable......I'd use it a lot more. Just my $.02
Indy I have used it on a 20 Practical, 223 and the 22NXS...the only problem I experienced early on was a couple of times the video was in like fast forward mode...couldn't figure out what was happening but eventually Kirsch figured out that if you didn't stop it from recording before shutting the scope down, it would do this sometimes. I started paying attention to this and have never had any issues since...always get a good 10seconds prior to the shot.
I am not missing a thing...I am still watching the yote thru the scope all the way coming in to the call...myself, I just don't see the need to have it all on video...I am not producing videos or anything like that. I enjoy spotting them way out there and watching them come on in...especially the hard chargers. So nothing at all is missed...it just isn't all on video. I know a lot of others
Like I said...that's the good thing about at least having it...if the function is there it can be used and for those that don't like it they don't have to use it...but I can't use it when it isn't available...it would be nice to have the option at least. On the Trail both you and I have the option to use it or not...on the Thermion, the option is not there.
 
Good morning guys! By now you know me well and you know that I am going to look in the various websites, sometimes with exaggerated fussiness, even the smallest details ..... Read what I have found ..... But now I need someone of you can help and translate perfectly from English to Italian and from Italian to English.
On this site .....com/ita.... in Italian .......

https://www.pulsar-nv.com/ita/prodotti/571/thermal-imaging-mirini/thermion/

... let's read......

Registrazione Video e Foto
La registrazione di video integrata (attivato da rinculo incluso) e istantanee in MPEG-4 e .jpg rende la condivisione dell'azione termica facile e veloce. La memoria interna da 16-GB resiste in maniera impeccabile il rinculo e memorizza ore di video e migliaia di foto.

Instead in this site......com/glo....in English .....

https://www.pulsar-nv.com/glo/products/33/thermal-imaging-riflescopes/thermion/

...... let's read .......

Video and Still-Photo Recording
Integrated video and still image recording in MPEG-4 and .jpg makes sharing the thermal action quick and easy. The onboard 16-GB internal memory handles recoil flawlessly and stores hours of video or thousands of photos.

So reading the website in Italian it seems very clear that there is really the RAV function in the software of the Pulsar Thermion .......
( ATTIVATO DA RINCULO INCLUSO )

On the other hand, in the website (global) in English, I can't understand if it has the RAV function or not. Help me guys to understand .... !!!!
 
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