It seems like every few weeks, some toad drops in and thinks everyone here is some kinda rube and he can straighten us all out with his wisdom that he got from reading the internet and then passing on information that he never understood in the first place.
Seems like "Mr. Cast" is out newest toad.
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The toad said...
Originally Posted By: CastTo start with, raise the ram (with shell holder installed) all the way up and screw in the FL resizing die until it touches the top of the ram and then about a quarter turn more so that the handle cams over slightly when you pull it down. That sets you up for FL sizing and will work fine.
From here, it's all about the rifle. If you want to custom size the brass for your fine bolt action rifle, you need to figure out what it wants. The simple way is just to slowly and carefully close the bolt on a piece of FL sized brass. The bolt should become more difficult to close just before it locks down if the brass is sized correctly for the rifle. The snug part is the brass being sized by the chamber, pushing the shoulder back as the bolt locks down. If your brass does not feel this way, you need to raise your die in the press by just a little, maybe a quarter turn, and lock it down with the locknut. Size a fresh piece and try the bolt feel test again. It it's too hard to close the bolt, turn the die back in just a bit to move the shoulder back and resize that brass again. Keep at it until you can feel the bolt settling in with just a bit of effort. Now, your die is custom built for that rifle, so label it so and buy another die if you have another gun to build custom brass for. If you're shooting semi auto, don't worry about this step, just FL sizing should be enough for now.
What is wrong with what the toad said is this.
1 - In a modern bolt action rifle (like a M70, a M-700, or even a 98 Mauser), there is not enough linear expansion of the case to make closing the bolt on a case hard to do.
I have a bunch of bolt guns that have been loaded for for years, and never even used a FL die on any of the cases, because they don't expand longer than the chamber.
So when Mr. toad says that you close the bolt and the case is being sized by the chamber, he is making it up - or his rifle is in need of some serious repairs. The bolt in a properly functioning rifle NEVER sizes the case. If that WERE the situation, you would not be able to remove fired cases without straining.
The purpose of being careful when setting up a FL die is that you can OVER size the case if the die has a shorter headspace than the chamber - when that combination happens (more often than you might think), then you stretch out the case shoulder when you fire it, and then size it back each time you FL size it, and eventually the case head will fall off (usually on a critical second shot in a match or on game, and it leaves the front of the case still stuck in the chamber 
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But no matter how lousy your rifle is, if you follow Mr. toad's instructions, and you set a FL die so it hits the shell holder and cams over, then you will NOT ever feel any resistance when closing the bolt, cuz the case is now shorter than the chamber... that is what FL dies do.
Mr. toad says...
Originally Posted By: Cast
Oh, and CS, the piece of 308 brass was still too short after you resized it 28 times huh? Try using a fresh piece of brass for the next 27 tries next time.
Wrong... it did not shorten the case - the case stayed the same length (which is why people use neck-sizing dies), and I still have the case.
Originally Posted By: Cast
Some guys will tell you to use a small neck sizing die on an AR, but I have never needed it. Here is a Chuck Hawk written article explaining the basics.
There is no such die as a "small neck sizing die".
Originally Posted By: CastOriginally Posted By: huntsman22oooooooohh...... another innernet tuff guy. Time to un-wad the big boy panties. They seem to be cutting off your circulation....
Not a tough guy at all, I haven't swung on anybody for many years. Some things are just over the line, and if CS is as good as he thinks, he would know that I know what I am talking about. Where did you come from anyhow? Did Cat Boy call you in for help with the tough guy?
"Tough guy? You gotta be kidding... your a [beeep] (cat), and a BS artist.
Toad, you are a disgrace to the fine state of Texas (I was born in Ft. Worth, and grew some in Shiro, and worked in the Spindletop fields).
Like many, you read junk on the internet, and then regurgitate it, thinking it will make you look smart...
... you run your mouth like a keyboard cowboy, but you don't understand what you are talking about.
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