Silencer on an AR question.

AzMike

AzMike

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I just made an adapter to put my silencer on my new Olympic Arms AR. The rifle is a 16" carbine, and the silencer is a large can 1 1/2" x 6". My question is the added pressure of the silencer going to be dangerous or will I maybe run into feeding issues with this set up? Does any body have any experiance with this sort of thing?
 
That's something that has always bugged me. Why aren't they legal for hunting? In fact, why aren't they preferred for hunting?

As restrictive as England is on general gun ownership, silencers are not only not a big deal, they are used for hunting. people don't want to be disturbed by gun fire just because some guy is shooting a deer or something.

Reduced exposure to un-suppressed gun fire is obviously desireable from a health point of view, as is reduces long term hearing damage.

But nooooooooo, somehow we have to micro manage the beasts through the feds, complete with piles of paperwork & a special tax, just to own one & then once you've done all that, you can't use it when it actually makes the most sense to. Beats the snot out of me???
 
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That's something that has always bugged me. Why aren't they legal for hunting? In fact, why aren't they preferred for hunting?




at least in Maine it's because they think all the poachers will use them and it will make poaching enforcement much harder.

probably mostly true, at least up in the northern woods.
 
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That's something that has always bugged me. Why aren't they legal for hunting? In fact, why aren't they preferred for hunting?

As restrictive as England is on general gun ownership, silencers are not only not a big deal, they are used for hunting. people don't want to be disturbed by gun fire just because some guy is shooting a deer or something.

Reduced exposure to un-suppressed gun fire is obviously desireable from a health point of view, as is reduces long term hearing damage.

But nooooooooo, somehow we have to micro manage the beasts through the feds, complete with piles of paperwork & a special tax, just to own one & then once you've done all that, you can't use it when it actually makes the most sense to. Beats the snot out of me???



From what I understand, the US is the only country that really controls silencers, in the rest of the world they are common and CHEAP, keeping down noise pollution! Much cheaper than they are here, the tight control runs the prices up.
 
So the only real answer is that because a criminal, in the act of breaking other laws, might use it to do so, so therefor it makes sense to prevent law abiding citizens from using it while obeying the law?

I can't be the only one who sees just how insane that is.
 
I would venture to say, that 99.9% of all bullets will hit there mark before any animal will hear the report..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
Adding a can may increase the pressure enough to create gas blowback and there are several offerings on the market to limit it:
http://www.pri-mounts.com/mm5/merchant.m...de=AR15_M16_ACC
There is also one made for the AR10.
Suppresors are legal to use for hunting in AK. I have all the paper completed for one but we only get in to town once a year and will pick it up then.
I don't consider them very effective for hunting even with subsonic rounds as the varmints I hunt can hear a safety click at a 100 yards on a cold clear day. May in certain conditons confuse your location but they are also added weight to hump and catch on brush.
I obtained one to limit the range at which I would spook game while shooting in my backyard range.
 
I don't think it is insane.. I actually think it's a good thing not to allow silencers. To me it would be a violation of Fair Chase..

I was friends with a guy who worked as an ADC type in South GA for the Quail Plantations controlling the deer and hog herds in the off season. He was authorized to use a silencer on his rifle, WOW.. Quite the eye opener and quite the advantage to the hunter..
 
How is it an advantage for the hunter? I think I'm confused here. If your legally hunting and killing only one animal it would seem like there would be no advantage as far as improving the chances of killing a deer or other animal. Where the silencer would be worth it's weight in gold is where shooting could disturb the locals. That would be shooting where its safe and legal, but close enough to houses to worry people who are sensitive to people shooting near their homes. Putting the sinister image we all have of a silencer asside, there are several areas around Tucson where a silencer would be a good thing to have.
 
Im not sure about the use of the adapter changing pressures. I have no personal experience with using adaptors. All the ones I have used are just a screw on unit. Never saw the real advantage to them, seems like action noise is still really noticable. I am 50% deaf in each ear and I couldnt honestly tell any difference. Like I said b4, the action noise I do remember being loud(er) for a deaf fella.

Oh another note, if I had had silencers all these years maybe I wouldnt be deaf now! LOL, hmmmm there is a connection here. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
A suppressor only and I repeat ONLY gives a hunter one advantage and that is during the engagement of multiple targets. The target is hit weather it be a deer or a predator and then would hear the shot. If your not shooting from a locked breech either a bolt, or a semi automatic with the gas block shut off the sound of the action cycling will be heard. Suppressors are not silent they are just quieter, and that’s even with sub sonic loads. They should be encouraged in every state in the union and we can thank Hollywood and the press that their not.
 
I have a .22 cal silencer that is made for silencing .223 (they are larger than one for a 22 rimfire). However you can still use them on 22 rimfire. With subsonic loads all you hear is the thwap of the bullet hitting the target. With a supersonic .223 load out of my Rem. 700 you hear the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrior. It is about as loud as a 22 long rifle.

The story on the adapter is the threads on the silencer are 9/16 x 24, and the threads on the end of the AR are 1/2 x 28. I machined a female to male adapter out of 4130 and it only adds about 5/8" length to the whole thing.

As far as hunting with it I wish I could, but I don't. The people of the great state of Arizona have deamed it unproodent.
 
We played with one on my AR a couple of weeks ago. Several of us visited with a manufacturerers rep. to see if it would be worth the time and trouble to buy one.
It works well but the back pressure blowing gasses into the action sure does dirty it up in a hurry.
Gasses also escape past the charging handle and blow back in your face. Absolutely wear eye protection and still expect to get a face full of gas.
 
I think the sound of rifle fire also lets the deer know hunting season is here. There is lots of people saying there is less game on public land because so many people hunt there. Well could you imagine it if we could use silencers the deer would "not" be so spooked and we would have better luck. And more deer would be killed then in a couple years, the deer herds would be less then they are now!!! Then the game department would put everthing on permit then everyone would complain about that. Guys we can't have everything!!! Im not against them for target practice or hunting in areas where the game department has a permit quota. But we should not even consider them during a general season. I want to have game to hunt in the future!!!!!
 
My hunting partner got his AR set up for a suppressor to use for calling coyotes. So far, with all the problems he's encountered with it, we've never taken it out yet calling. It's built by a nationally known company, and it's a good quality suppressor. It's a twist on locking lug type which gave problems first with the suppressor drooping just slightly enough to cause the bullet to hit the top of the suppressor bore. Got that fixed. But the biggest issue is with the gas system. It takes a lot of finesse to get the load just right to cycle the rifle, yet be quiet enough to do the job. If you don't have enough gas, it won't cycle. So you do it by hand, which won't work calling. Enough gas to cycle, its still like (maybe) a .22 rifle. But the sound is supposedly redirected, making the sound seem to come from the opposite direction. Also, it seems to foul easily. Anyway, HE'S had a bad time with his. After experiencing all the problems he's had, I made up my mind that if I ever did one, I'd go with a bolt gun. I'm sure theres people out there that could make this work, but it seems like a waste of time and money from what I've seen. Greg
 
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