Slugs Vs. Buckshot
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GC
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Shot, though not exclusively No. 4BK, there are some excellent other options also. Not 00BK. Read HERE...
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubb...e=0&fpart=1
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubb...e=0&fpart=1
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johnmeador609
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Ive thought about using a shotgun with the 1st shell being #4 and the second being a slug for those ones that hang up at 100 yards. If I could figure out how to get the buck shot to pattern well and still shoot slugs decent I would give it a try. But then you might as well just use a combo gun because you are pretty much limiting your self to one shot shell and then one single projectile.
Mark_in_WI
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I don't know your regs but we can only use slugs for deer. We can get in trouble for just having them hunting anything else. So check the regs just to be safe.
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blinddog
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I find buck works better in heavy brush #4 is about as good as anything else but choke is very important the less restrictive the better in most cases Mod or imp cyl slugs work ok with those chokes as well but if I have a shot that would be better with a slug I pick up my rifle slugs get undependable after 75 or 80 yards for me any way
shooter44n45
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A slug would blow a hole through a coyote that you could put your fist through!
White Eagle
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Mark
I think you are mistaken there is no restriction on weapon type,or ammo, for hunting coyotes even in areas designated for slug only deer hunting
To answer the original post if all you have is a a shotgun I would use shot vs.slugs
I think you are mistaken there is no restriction on weapon type,or ammo, for hunting coyotes even in areas designated for slug only deer hunting
To answer the original post if all you have is a a shotgun I would use shot vs.slugs
Mark_in_WI
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White Eagle in WI the DNR has some strange rules here to protect the deer, which are getting so bad that we have to "earn a buck" in some areas. In the small game hunting regs they have a whole section on what you can use and when hunting.
Ammunition, Shotshells and Shot Size Restrictions
It is illegal to:
• possess or control shotshells loaded with single slug or ball while hunting except
during open gun deer or bear seasons.
• possess while hunting, shot, or shotshells loaded with shot, larger than No. BB
from June 1–Dec. 7 (or June 1–Dec. 11 in Herd Control and EAB units, CWD
Zones or Metro DMUs).
• hunt any Game Bird with a shotgun or muzzleloader loaded with shot larger than
No. BB* or with single slug or ball, or with a bore larger than a no. 10 gauge.
*Note: Nontoxic shot size BBB and T may be used for hunting waterfowl
I copied this from the DNR web site from page 6 of the small game regs.
I do not know the regs from other states. I just wanted him to check first so he doesn't do something to get himself in trouble.
Mark
Ammunition, Shotshells and Shot Size Restrictions
It is illegal to:
• possess or control shotshells loaded with single slug or ball while hunting except
during open gun deer or bear seasons.
• possess while hunting, shot, or shotshells loaded with shot, larger than No. BB
from June 1–Dec. 7 (or June 1–Dec. 11 in Herd Control and EAB units, CWD
Zones or Metro DMUs).
• hunt any Game Bird with a shotgun or muzzleloader loaded with shot larger than
No. BB* or with single slug or ball, or with a bore larger than a no. 10 gauge.
*Note: Nontoxic shot size BBB and T may be used for hunting waterfowl
I copied this from the DNR web site from page 6 of the small game regs.
I do not know the regs from other states. I just wanted him to check first so he doesn't do something to get himself in trouble.
Mark
Sniper66
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I'd go with buckshot. I use #4, but there are allot of different predator loads out there now. Try different ones with different chokes and see what works best. Unless your shotgun can shoot slugs accurately or is rifled, a long shot is iffy on an animal the size of a coyote.
Dultimatpredator
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You can pick up a box of 25 Federal copper plated BB shot for around $32 and won't here $ signs every time you pull the trigger. I have dropped Yotes out to 50 yards with this load. Just aim for the head and neck area and they will go down.
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A slug would blow a hole through a coyote that you could put your fist through!
Slugs can be surprisingly ineffective on coyotes. The camo on the barrel of a friend's 870 bears coyote tooth marks as witness to that fact. He hit one with a slug through the chest (probably catching only one lung),while deer hunting. It appeared dead. He picked it up by the tail and started carrying it back to the road, when it "came alive". He dropped it and had to use the muzzle of the gun to keep it off him until he could get the gun loaded again.
I sure wish I had a video of that incident. It would have become a Utube classic. LOL
A slug would blow a hole through a coyote that you could put your fist through!
Slugs can be surprisingly ineffective on coyotes. The camo on the barrel of a friend's 870 bears coyote tooth marks as witness to that fact. He hit one with a slug through the chest (probably catching only one lung),while deer hunting. It appeared dead. He picked it up by the tail and started carrying it back to the road, when it "came alive". He dropped it and had to use the muzzle of the gun to keep it off him until he could get the gun loaded again.
I sure wish I had a video of that incident. It would have become a Utube classic. LOL
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The link I gave you will lay all that out for you. If you take the time to read it and do a little work yourself.
That thread should be "must" reading for anyone considering using a shotgun for predator hunting. There's a lot of information which can potentially save one money and time in the search for a good performing load and choke.
The link I gave you will lay all that out for you. If you take the time to read it and do a little work yourself.
That thread should be "must" reading for anyone considering using a shotgun for predator hunting. There's a lot of information which can potentially save one money and time in the search for a good performing load and choke.
blinddog
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s a general rule the more restrictive the choke the more potential you have for flyers. Yes I know that is alot differant than some think, but what happens with a tight choke and buckshot is the restriction tends to deform some of the pellets this deformation leads to shot going off in dufferant directions like skipping rocks on a pond. the less restrictive chokes have fewer problems in this area. That is why Police shotguns are chocked cyl, or mod, or imp. And cops have to qualify with buck and slugs at fifty and one hundred yards. The gun I had in my cruser was a 870 with a 20" barrel and cyl bore. It gave a pattern with #4 slightly larger than my two fistd at fifty yardsand would cover a twleve inch circle at seventy five.Slugs and yotes really do not mix well, tears the pelt up bad, but for deer they work out nice with in range. Think muzzel loader and smooth bore 75 cal Brown Bess musket
yotenaylor
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A slug would blow a hole through a coyote that you could put your fist through!
Slugs can be surprisingly ineffective on coyotes. The camo on the barrel of a friend's 870 bears coyote tooth marks as witness to that fact. He hit one with a slug through the chest (probably catching only one lung),while deer hunting. It appeared dead. He picked it up by the tail and started carrying it back to the road, when it "came alive". He dropped it and had to use the muzzle of the gun to keep it off him until he could get the gun loaded again.
I sure wish I had a video of that incident. It would have become a Utube classic. LOL
I was thinkin the same thing myself. The two that Ive shot with a slug were pretty much just inch holes in and out. A head shot might be unpretty, but body shots are pretty lack luster.
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A slug would blow a hole through a coyote that you could put your fist through!
Slugs can be surprisingly ineffective on coyotes. The camo on the barrel of a friend's 870 bears coyote tooth marks as witness to that fact. He hit one with a slug through the chest (probably catching only one lung),while deer hunting. It appeared dead. He picked it up by the tail and started carrying it back to the road, when it "came alive". He dropped it and had to use the muzzle of the gun to keep it off him until he could get the gun loaded again.
I sure wish I had a video of that incident. It would have become a Utube classic. LOL
I was thinkin the same thing myself. The two that Ive shot with a slug were pretty much just inch holes in and out. A head shot might be unpretty, but body shots are pretty lack luster.
GC
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And cops have to qualify with buck and slugs at fifty and one hundred yards. The gun I had in my cruser was a 870 with a 20" barrel and cyl bore. It gave a pattern with #4 slightly larger than my two fistd at fifty yardsand would cover a twleve inch circle at seventy five.
That's something right there... Counter to every experience I've ever had. I've been a law enforcement officer since 1981, a LE Firearms and Tactics Instructor and Team Leader of a High Risk Warrant Service team throughout the 90's. I've gone to numerous schools and shot Lord only knows how many rounds of buck and slugs through goodness knows the number of Remington 870's, Mossberg 500's, and more than a few Benelli M1's. No where in any of my several training manuals for Firearms Q's, nor in any training I have ever attended, is there a qualifying course for buckshot and slug over 25 yards for buck and 75 yards for slug. Nor have I ever shot buckshot over 25 yards or slugs over 75 yards for a LE qualification or any LE course or training school. That is unique to me!
Never, ever, have I had a typical cylinder bore police shotgun barrel pattern 00 Buck even remotely close to that claim. I realize blinddog said No. 4 Buck, but that is a minority in the LE world, most use 00 Buck. Usually if such a police style gun will hold nine 00 pellets on the chest of a man sized target at 25 yards - it's a real keeper. I've seen an amazing number that couldn't keep all nine pellets within a 12" - 14" circle at 25 yards. I do have an 18" cylinder bore barreled 870 that patterns Hornady TAP eight pellet 00 into 10" at 25 yards. It's a peach, that's why I grabbed on to it. Most agencies and special operations units in the military have tightened the chokes on their shotguns because of this very problem. Lot's of agencies and units with the money love the 14" barreled Benelli M1 Entry Gun, or, the 18 1/2" Tactical Model with either a fixed modified choke, or, the ability to accept choke tubes because they shoot 00 tight enough to control the shot load. Many manufacturing companies have gone to reduced velocities, special wads like the Flight Control and Choke Wad, and eight pellet 00 Buck loads to attempt to tighten the patterns up because the typical police "riot" gun won't hold buckshot in a five gallon bucket at much over 15 - 20 yards. Accountability for each individual pellet is one of the reasons the LE Carbine is catching on in such a big way. This is because the typical cops shotgun is gonna lose some of its pattern off target and downrange. Stray 00 pellets plinking old man Sam in arse down the street ain't good for the departments insurance rates!
Over the years I've burned up one hell of a lot of No. Four Buckshot from various shotguns and chokes testing for coyote hunting. I have never, not once, seen any gun or choke of any constriction shoot a pattern the size of a mans double fist at 75 yards with 4BK. Especially so from a cylinder bore barrel. Boggles the mind! I cannot say with certainity that it cannot absolutely happen with one gun and load. But I know one thing, that's a hell of a barrel to pattern like that. Better hang on to that one because it is something special. I warn ya, if you get rid of it, you're gonna go a long, long, time before you find another that'll repeat the performance.
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And cops have to qualify with buck and slugs at fifty and one hundred yards. The gun I had in my cruser was a 870 with a 20" barrel and cyl bore. It gave a pattern with #4 slightly larger than my two fistd at fifty yardsand would cover a twleve inch circle at seventy five.
That's something right there... Counter to every experience I've ever had. I've been a law enforcement officer since 1981, a LE Firearms and Tactics Instructor and Team Leader of a High Risk Warrant Service team throughout the 90's. I've gone to numerous schools and shot Lord only knows how many rounds of buck and slugs through goodness knows the number of Remington 870's, Mossberg 500's, and more than a few Benelli M1's. No where in any of my several training manuals for Firearms Q's, nor in any training I have ever attended, is there a qualifying course for buckshot and slug over 25 yards for buck and 75 yards for slug. Nor have I ever shot buckshot over 25 yards or slugs over 75 yards for a LE qualification or any LE course or training school. That is unique to me!
Never, ever, have I had a typical cylinder bore police shotgun barrel pattern 00 Buck even remotely close to that claim. I realize blinddog said No. 4 Buck, but that is a minority in the LE world, most use 00 Buck. Usually if such a police style gun will hold nine 00 pellets on the chest of a man sized target at 25 yards - it's a real keeper. I've seen an amazing number that couldn't keep all nine pellets within a 12" - 14" circle at 25 yards. I do have an 18" cylinder bore barreled 870 that patterns Hornady TAP eight pellet 00 into 10" at 25 yards. It's a peach, that's why I grabbed on to it. Most agencies and special operations units in the military have tightened the chokes on their shotguns because of this very problem. Lot's of agencies and units with the money love the 14" barreled Benelli M1 Entry Gun, or, the 18 1/2" Tactical Model with either a fixed modified choke, or, the ability to accept choke tubes because they shoot 00 tight enough to control the shot load. Many manufacturing companies have gone to reduced velocities, special wads like the Flight Control and Choke Wad, and eight pellet 00 Buck loads to attempt to tighten the patterns up because the typical police "riot" gun won't hold buckshot in a five gallon bucket at much over 15 - 20 yards. Accountability for each individual pellet is one of the reasons the LE Carbine is catching on in such a big way. This is because the typical cops shotgun is gonna lose some of its pattern off target and downrange. Stray 00 pellets plinking old man Sam in arse down the street ain't good for the departments insurance rates!
Over the years I've burned up one hell of a lot of No. Four Buckshot from various shotguns and chokes testing for coyote hunting. I have never, not once, seen any gun or choke of any constriction shoot a pattern the size of a mans double fist at 75 yards with 4BK. Especially so from a cylinder bore barrel. Boggles the mind! I cannot say with certainity that it cannot absolutely happen with one gun and load. But I know one thing, that's a hell of a barrel to pattern like that. Better hang on to that one because it is something special. I warn ya, if you get rid of it, you're gonna go a long, long, time before you find another that'll repeat the performance.
Lord love a duck... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif