Solution for old eyes and M1 garand sights

hm1996

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I was issued my first garand in 1954 if memory serves and shot them in competition for many years. It was with great reluctance, at +/- 70 years of age, I was forced to admit I could no longer see the sights well enough to be proficient in its use and relegated my fine old warhorse to the safe.

Took a while, but a plan slowly emerged to replace the iron sights with some sort of optical sight, but no (acceptable to me) sights/mounts were available. First off, I did not wish to make any alterations to the rifle (drill/tap), but when I saw the Burris Fastfire II, the wheels began to turn. The FFII is not much larger than the original rear sight on the garand and the "ears" through which the elevation screw mounts would make no-drill mounting rather simple. The small size made the FFII ideal as it does not interfere w/top loading and clip ejection of the garand. The FFII mounts a tad higher than the original sight, but about the same as a scope on an AR in that I use a "chin weld" rather than a cheek weld on the stock.

I made a wooden "dummy" base that fit between the ears on the receiver and took it and a FFII to a gunsmith friend and a few weeks later picked up the finished product.

Before:
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After:
The base block pivots on two screws turned to fit holes in the "ears" and is locked at desired angle to achieve elevation zero by two small allen screws, one in front of and one behind the mounting screws:
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With sight mounted:
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Took it to the range last week, but didn't have sufficient elevation adjustment on the sight and did not have correct size allen wrench to adjust the base so ended up w/it sighted 6" high at 100. The only thing I would change in the mount is to use a larger allen screw for elevation adjustment and perhaps drill holes so that these screws could be adjusted without removing the rail.

Observations so far is that my 75 year old eyes still aren't what they used to be and with the 4 moa dot and no magnification I cannot expect to shoot up to the capability of this rifle.....

Target on left 10 shots @ 100 yds sitting rapid fire, right hand target 10 shots slow fire @ 100, both shot with original iron sights (a number of years ago
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.....but it should shoot 4moa and get the old girl out of quarantine. Plan to shoot again next week if something doesn't bend, break rip or tear and we shall see.

Regards,
hm




 
That is slick HM.

I shoot offhand open sight matches on occasion,,and my close vision is awful.



Would that be legit im mil. matches?




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Originally Posted By: coyotexThat is slick HM.

I shoot offhand open sight matches on occasion,,and my close vision is awful.



Would that be legit im mil. matches?




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Unfortunately,no. All CMP and NRA service rifle matches dictate use of original iron sights.

Regards,
hm
 
One thing that has helped me with my vision during hunting is I take billberry pills. Improves low light vision and seems to make your eyes focus faster when looking at animals while looking down the barrel. Really noticed an improvement while duck hunting.

Just an idea that may help some.
 
Two things for your consideration

1. NRA now allows optical sights on service rifles in Hi Power competition. I'm not sure about CMP regs.

2. There is a fellow that has for years provided a lens that inserts in the rear aperture of the match sight (M1 & M-14) that allows our older eyes to focus on the front sight, they are avaliable in different strengths. google bjones sights. additionally there is an equivalent for the ar platform made by stallings machine. Both of these work very well.
 
Originally Posted By: hm1996Originally Posted By: coyotexThat is slick HM.

I shoot offhand open sight matches on occasion,,and my close vision is awful.



Would that be legit im mil. matches?




X




Regards,
hm




I just found this


Rule 3.3.2 NRA Any Sight Match Rifle/Tactical Rifle
Part (c) now reads: “Competitors may use a service rifle equipped with optic sights to compete under this rule. Competitors using service rifles described in Rules 3.1(c) and 3.1(d) may remove the carry handle to allow mounting of the optic sight.”

Unfortunately,no. All CMP and NRA service rifle matches dictate use of original iron sights.
 
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Hmmm. We had lobbied to get a rule change to allow one lens to be used on NRA Match Rifles and that was finally approved in the mid to late '80's IIRC. Service rifles dictated strictly irons. I had to give up HP competition in about 1999 and at that time, rule had not changed.

I know they finally allowed a single lense in service rifle category sometime after I stopped shooting.

400, are they defining the single lens as an "optical sight" or do they now allow true optical devices on service rifles? I feel sure they would specify no magnification on service rifles, but been out of it too long to know for sure.

Chef, they have always allowed optical sights in the Any, Any (Any rifle, any sight) matches. Back when
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, those matches were usually long range matches (800, 900 & 1000 yd.) I guess they added the service rifle w/optics to this category for clarification.

Heck, I remember a couple of matches where they would not allow M16's or AR's beyond the 300 yd. line (before the heavier bullets in 223).

Regards,
hm

Regards,
hm
 
HM1996, Use of the Bjones sight or the right sight (stallings machine) is not considered to be an optical sight I use the Bjones on my garand and the right sight on my A2 in registered competition in the service rifle class.
Allowance for optical sights (scopes, or a lens in both the front and rear sights) is I think 2 years old. This for the NRA rules. I'm ignorant of the CMP regs. There is quite a bit of discussion about the allowance of optical sights because the military issues optics on a routine basis now, so should they be allowed in service rifle category? Also, FYI the NRA but not the CMP, has done away with the standing to sitting routine in rapids. Initially, it was optional as an accomodation to the oldsters, but David Tubb pointed out a safety issue that ensued, so, the rapids are started from the sitting position now.
 


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