Sound quality

Tjkiller

Tjkiller

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Ive had some different ecallers over the years. They were a game changer. Now that they been around for a while ive noticed a big difference in sound quality. Even the same sounds, different callers produce a clearer sound. Some get that hollow sound.

U know those coyotes that hang way out there dont want want to commit. One theory is they get to a certain distance and the poor quality sound kicks in the spidey sense..

Is the sound quality worth the cost? What can be done to improve the quality of the caller you already have? Opinions pls. Thx
 
I thought about that and researched a little. I think the quality of the speaker and the hz range has a lot to do with it and some calls have a tweeter. Most speakers don't go above 20,000hz. Dogs can hear to around 45000 hz to where a human can only hear to about 20,000. I read a baby rabbit can get up in to the 70000hz range with sound. The speakers are fairly decent at the low range of it but not the high range. Maybe when some coyotes get close it sounds more like Berry White crying to them than a baby Cotton tail. I believe that's why more coyotes will come to a hand call. That's my thoughts on it. As far as if the cost of a better call is worth it or even how much better it will sound to a predator is up to you to decide. I don't have a really high end call. I have an icotec 350 and a Foxpro Banshee. I've called in coyotes with both. I like the Banshee because it holds more sounds but the icotec is lighter and easier to carry. As far as sound, the Banshee sounds a little better and is a little louder however, I feel the icotec calls them in just the same. I know the higher end calls have a speaker or 2 and tweeters. I can't say if they are worth it over other models. Id like to see a study done but for now it's opinions
 
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There's an interesting article in the American Hunter on sound frequencies for calling. Burnham Bros is working on a system that gets into the ultra high frequency sound range. That could really make a difference.
 
Hello All. I don't get on here as much as I would like but in the newest addition of American Hunter magazine there is an interesting article with similar information. It sounds like a guy by the name of Gary Robinson from Texas is in the process of getting a patent on a caller that can hit these high frequencies that dogs and cats can hear but humans cannot. Maybe he is a member here?. Check out this webpages.

https://burnhambrothers.com/

https://ttha.com/articles/ultrasonic-predator-calling/
 
Primos Alpha Dogg has the worst sound quality that I've ever heard. My buddy has one and it just sounds fake. I've seen it call in 12 coyotes in a day. This new caller may make a difference but I don't expect every coyote in the county to hear one and come running. In my opinion if they're in the area and they're hungry they're going to come in no matter what you've got playing.
 


https://ttha.com/articles/ultrasonic-predator-calling/

The technical information in this article is nothing new. Many years ago on the old go go varmint board I made the same claims and was soundly ridiculed. I am no engineer but do have the equivalent of about 2 years electrical engineering and was in communication repair in the Marines. We called it “faithful reproduction.” Not to blame the manufacturers but both the mics and speakers are designed for human ears not animals. I think most of them know that but I don’t think the quality equipment needed was previously available at an affordable price. It will be interesting to see what these new callers will cost
 
I don't believe quality of sound is the absolute here or my pitiful handcalling would not get so many kills under the most adverse calling conditions.
It is very important what I am saying or playing to them.
I liken this to camo.
 
I've been messing with e-callers since the sounds were on 45 rpm records. An interesting observation I've seen. If you go into an area that is heavily called, using a different caller can change things.

You see it a lot on here also,"I just got a ------- caller and the first time I took it out it worked much better than my old FP". I think that coyotes can not only get conditioned to the same calls but to the sound a caller puts out. If I'm in a heavily called area I'll break out my Minaska and it seems to call coyotes when nothing else worked. I find that if I hit an area and get no responses on any sounds I'll change callers not just sounds. I've gone into heavily called areas and used a JS Attractor, crappy sound quality, not much volume and limited sounds(4 I think) and called coyotes, it was so small I'd carry it in my bird hunting vest for those spots that just scream "Call Here".

I've gotten to the point that I have four callers that I rotate through and have the equipment to put together a couple unique callers with old JS tapes and CD's.

I'm interested in the high frequency studies but think that it might just work for awhile and the same thing will happen.
 
Originally Posted By: tripod3I don't believe quality of sound is the absolute here or my pitiful handcalling would not get so many kills under the most adverse calling conditions.
It is very important what I am saying or playing to them.
I liken this to camo.

Bingo!

I had the pleasure to hunt with Gerald Stewart (Johnny Stewart's son) one year at a PM convention. I would venture to say he knows a thing or two about sounds and calling predators.
We would alternate strands using my foxpro and his own made caller with new trial sounds he was playing with. He ran both callers all day and for the most part set up most of the stands.
We only called animals on the stands that we used the foxpro on (not every stand were used it).
I don't think for one minute that this happened because the fp or sounds were that much superior to his call or sounds. Just luck of the draw is all.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsqvDGHnkeQ&t=618s

In the above video Al Morris uses Foxpro's "Vole Squeaks" sound to coax in a coyote. There is definitely something in the hi pitch squeaks that coyotes and bobcats almost can't resist.

There are quite a few sounds that don't sound very special to me that the coyotes and cats really like. "Adult Rat in Distress" is another great sound that is not very loud but it really calls in the coyotes and bobcats.
 
Originally Posted By: tripod3I don't believe quality of sound is the absolute here or my pitiful handcalling would not get so many kills under the most adverse calling conditions.


That's the thing, your "pitiful" hand calling produces frequencies that e-calls can't. The article even said that.

There's a lot of valid points in this discussion I think. Like AWS said, changing callers can make a difference I think. It's not just the sound, but the way it sounds. Different speakers, amps and recordings.

Yeah we'll see what this new set up costs and go from there. It's not bad to have new options.
 
Sound quality makes sense, since canines can hear stuff we cannot. Silent dog whistle, anyone?

Years ago, while on a very tight budget, I bought a new, basic Foxpro loaded with Turkey calls, and the adapter to record on it.

I went to the website of a well known call maker that allowed free downloads of some of their sounds, and loaded them on the FP.

In the 2 seasons I used that FP with the other makers sounds, I did not call in a single coyote, not one! My hand calls were still bringing them in, though.

The calls sounded great to ME, but, not to the coyotes, and they have the final say.

There is a high pitched sound that human children can hear, but adults cannot. I have read that some shopping malls play that sound to deter teenagers from hanging around.

I watched a documentary about animal hearing one time. Elephants can hear really low pitch sounds, and female elephants in heat make really low level sounds, beyond human hearing comprehension.

So, the researchers recorded these in-heat sounds, and played them back on 2 very large speakers on the roof of a car. After a while, 2 young Ele' bulls came out of the forest, dragging their erections.

They also mentioned that a common pigeon can hear both oceans while it flys over Chicago.

Fascinating stuff.
 
On one of the FoxPro Furtaker Episodes I did mention high pitched sounds working when others wont.My quote was the high pitched noises to a Predator are like a Cinnamon roll to me , I gotta have it .
 


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