Sound spectrum analyzers

LionHo

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Anybody have any experience with software that'll graph a .wav or .mp3 file to show the audio frequency range of the recording? I've just downloaded freeware called FFT Properties. It's a bit buggy but showing some interesting results. Unfortunately it only seems to work with raw .wav files that haven't been cleaned up or formatted.

LionHo
 
Have you looked at Goldwave? It is available as a download, and has been very useful for editing and creating my sounds file. I believe it will do everything you are looking for.
 
I use GoldWave as a sound editor all the time, but am not aware of it having any audio frequency analysis function. Please elucidate.

LionHo
 
I went and looked again at the Device Control palette in GW, which has options for changing the graphical representation of the sound when you play or record it, but don't find where it has data capture or numerical scale to the frequencies... pretty to look at, tho.

LionHo
 
Well, I'll be a monkey's behind...there really IS a way to get a readout on freqs from GoldWave.

Options>Controls>Device Control Properties>Graph>Spectrogram/Show Axis/Kaiser 7>OK

(Checking the Show Axis checkbox is what revealed the numerical range on the graph.)

Still not sure you could capture this info or print it out... but it certainly makes GW a lot more useful for a seat-of-the-pants (read: monkey's arse) analysis.

LionHo
 
LionHo, question that maybe you can answer, or maybe someone else in here knows.

I'm not positive, but I THINK I remember reading once, some years ago when sound compression technology was fairly new and the MP3 standard had just barely been written, that part of the compression technique for MP3 was to "strip out" the frequencies that are outside the normal hearing range of humans.

We've all heard a lot of talk about sound fidelity and recording techniques and digital this and that and what have you. And, personally, I think that's all great. I'm one of the minority that believes sound quality can make a difference at times.

But, if my memory about MP3 compression isn't false, I'd have to question my own thinking. Just called in too many predators using MP3 sounds.

- DAA
 
DAA:

Your most excellent question has a lot to do with why I want to look closely at my MP3s.

The LAME codec (the software plug-in that GoldWave uses to perform file compression in encoding MP3s) has a variety of compression levels. The minimum acceptable near-CD quality that everyone seems to look for when swapping music files is 128 Kbps--but there is some noticeable discard of stuff at the high and low ends, and this is what audiophiles complain about concerning MP3s.

Just saying or writing "mathematical compression algorythms" makes me a little woozy, but from what I do understand, the codec has other ways to make file sizes smaller than simply stripping out frequencies, and that's what the higher quality recording settings attempt to do.

Apparently, MP3 codecs discard competing high frequency sounds immediately after a loud percussion; this is called "psycho-accoustic modelling". On the theory, perhaps, that if somebody shoots you, you'll not hear yourself scream. This doesn't bug me too much for our predator calling purposes because we don't have bass drum licks like rock-and-roll tracks.

But then there is loss-less compression, too. Imagine you had a city block full of empty lots and another one of cookie-cutter houses built on the same plans. You could go through and describe every lot, every building, and record the data for each and every one. Or you could save time and file space by saying say "this is a whole block of empty lots" or "this is a block of all the same kind of buildings" described by the cross streets... an analogy for what compression schemes that are loss-less do.

First results of looking at my MP3s shows that ones I made on the PC from .wavs using 128Kbps have been stripped of frequencies above about 17 KHz. However, later ones I've made from .wav files using the 320 Kbps MP3 setting (there's a slider on the GoldWave "Save As" menu, that you have to slide north, above the default setting to find) seem to be capable of reproducing frequencies up to 22 KHz. This is the highest frequency of the .wav standard, i.e. the highest sounds that CDs capture and reproduce.

My PoGo! MP3 device has a line-in record function and a built-in codec that allows 256Kbps samping at 48 KHz (in theory that's 24 KHz per channel, or 24 KHz for a mono recording like I use). Higher dynamic range, theoretically, than the other components of my caller. (My homebuilt is presently amp, speaker, and wireless mic limited to 20 KHz, but that's still a heck of a lot more than most commercial predator calls are capable of already.) What I'd like to determine is whether the PoGo! codec strips out freqs that the LAME codec doesn't.

I'm looking at some of my most used, PC-recorded tracks of squeaky things like live-caught baby mice and Crit R Call sequences--there are definitely harmonics and elements of these sounds that extend beyond 20 KHz. But the majority of it seems within the gray area of 15-20KHz.

(FWIW, 12-15 KHz is where the horn speakers fall off.)

Long post, but what I've noted over the years is that owls and bobcats and gray fox respond well to high-pitched sounds. The whole point of this exercise is that I want to squeeze as much out of the recordings as I can in order to photograph more of them.

LionHo
 
I used Soundforge for comparing some turkey wingbone calls and their frequencies a year or two back.

I believe Soundforge was recenty bought by Sony.

At the time it was the cat's pajamas for sound editing. Sony must of thought so too.
 
Finally got back to tooling around with Goldwave and my various recording set-ups.

Live baby mouse squeak recordings I've made do indeed have elements that are above 22 KHz.

Took the original .wav file and converted it to a 320Kbps/48KHz MP3 (highest quality available under Goldwave using LAME codec). All the sound appears to still be there when looked at with the frequency analyzer function in GW.

But a standard-issue 128 Kbps mp3 was stripping out frequencies above 16KHz.

Although my POGO! Ripflash Plus has a feature to record directly to the device, at 256Kbps/ 48KHz sampling, the internal codec also strips out frequencies above 17KHz. Rats.

All this to say that for high-pitched stuff and/or the richest recordings, best route I've found so far is still to record to a decent PC sound card as a .wav file and then convert to .mp3 at the highest bit and sampling rates. Yes, the files will be somewhat larger, but most of the recent MP3 players have more than enough memory for our predator calling needs.

LionHo
 
You might want to check this out...
http://www.visualizationsoftware.com/gram.html


Spectrogram version 8 is a shareware dual channel audio spectrum analyzer for Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP which can provide either a scrolling time-frequency display or a spectrum analyzer scope display in real time for any sound source connected to your sound card. Spectrogram allows unlimited recording and playback of the sounds from the audio spectrum display and can provide very high resolution spectrum analysis of wave files with a wide choice of frequency bands and frequency resolution and either linear or logarithmic frequency scales. Spectrum data logging capability is also provided. Spectrogram is ideal for any purpose related to sound spectrum analysis including



Analysis and identification of biological sounds
Analysis of bat echolocation sounds
Analysis and identification of human speech
Analysis of vocal and instrumental music


Evaluation and tuning of musical instruments
Evaluation and calibration of home audio systems
Ham Radio audio reception and tuning



Disclaimer:
I am in no way affiliated or receive any compensation from this program. Spectrogram is shareware. This is in no way an attempt to spam the board or an attempt at free advertising.
 
You might want to check this out...
http://www.visualizationsoftware.com/gram.html


Spectrogram version 8 is a shareware dual channel audio spectrum analyzer for Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP which can provide either a scrolling time-frequency display or a spectrum analyzer scope display in real time for any sound source connected to your sound card. Spectrogram allows unlimited recording and playback of the sounds from the audio spectrum display and can provide very high resolution spectrum analysis of wave files with a wide choice of frequency bands and frequency resolution and either linear or logarithmic frequency scales. Spectrum data logging capability is also provided. Spectrogram is ideal for any purpose related to sound spectrum analysis including



Analysis and identification of biological sounds
Analysis of bat echolocation sounds
Analysis and identification of human speech
Analysis of vocal and instrumental music


Evaluation and tuning of musical instruments
Evaluation and calibration of home audio systems
Ham Radio audio reception and tuning



Disclaimer:
I am in no way affiliated or receive any compensation from this program. Spectrogram is shareware. This is in no way an attempt to spam the board or an attempt at free advertising.
 


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