Speer 52 gr HP
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stiff neck
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This topic comes up about once a month. There's a bit of reading if you do a search.
Some people use them and like them, but they're not very popular for coyotes compared to the other options.
Some people use them and like them, but they're not very popular for coyotes compared to the other options.
coyote control
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I used the 52 HP in the 22-250 for probably 15 yrs and had very good results with them. I only loss 1 yote from them in all of them yrs.
I now load the 52's in one of the 22-250's and 55 V-Max in the other.
I now load the 52's in one of the 22-250's and 55 V-Max in the other.
Vent_O_Later
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I've been tinckerin with my 22-250 also, and have found the speer 52g hp over 34.0g of imr4064 to be the most accurate hunting bullet so far,......but I havent tried them all.....YET!!!!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
jerry malbeck
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Been useing that bullet for years , best coyote bullet i have found .
I'll back everyone's post's times two!I've shot them since the mid 80's.When I was younger,I thought if the box didn't say,HPBT Match,I wasn't interested.I bought a box to run through my 220Swift,just cause they were cheap.They grouped better,or as well, than the "Match" bullets at the time,so I tried them on coyotes.They were deadly.Makes coyote jelly,if you hit them in the ribs.No exits,fur friendly,just deadly.They are just about magical.They might not have as high of B.C. as some,but they are deadly.The flat based HP,has killed 100's of coyotes for me.I'm not sure why,but the jacket thickness,or the hollow point,makes them lethal.
I carried a box of 50 to Mexico with me on a yote hunt. The load was 35.5g of IMR 4064 with the 52g Hp out of a Ruger 77.
On one stand we got 7 yotes, of the 7, two got up after being shot in the ribs and started to walk off. A couple of others had to be shot again before we could cut their tails off. We fired 13 rounds on that stand alone. All these yotes had surface explosions that were giagantic.
Since we were down in Mexico for 5 days, we had to use ammo that we had. We noticed that the bullet would not penetrate a shoulder on a shot where they were facing you nor a hip joint when they were running away. So, we tried to shoot them in the head or neck for the remainder of the hunt. We got 32 yotes on that trip, and we had to finish off the yotes with rocks and pocket knives at times, and crossed the border back into the states with 3 rounds.
With all the hunters that love this bullet, the Conclusion: This example is how bullets can vary from lot to lot. The jackets on these Speer 52's were paper thin at the opening of the HP.
I went to the Sierra 55g Spt and the Sierra 55g BTHP. We went to Mexico about a month after this trip, driving to Hermisillo, Mexico to shoot doves and pigeons. We killed a LOT of coyotes on the way down and the way back up. The Sierra's made a whale of a diffence in my rifle's killing ability.
Later on in the Summer, we used the Speers up on the p.dogs. The Speer 52's was like sticking the p. dog on the end of a bottle rocket, the way they flew through the air!
On one stand we got 7 yotes, of the 7, two got up after being shot in the ribs and started to walk off. A couple of others had to be shot again before we could cut their tails off. We fired 13 rounds on that stand alone. All these yotes had surface explosions that were giagantic.
Since we were down in Mexico for 5 days, we had to use ammo that we had. We noticed that the bullet would not penetrate a shoulder on a shot where they were facing you nor a hip joint when they were running away. So, we tried to shoot them in the head or neck for the remainder of the hunt. We got 32 yotes on that trip, and we had to finish off the yotes with rocks and pocket knives at times, and crossed the border back into the states with 3 rounds.
With all the hunters that love this bullet, the Conclusion: This example is how bullets can vary from lot to lot. The jackets on these Speer 52's were paper thin at the opening of the HP.
I went to the Sierra 55g Spt and the Sierra 55g BTHP. We went to Mexico about a month after this trip, driving to Hermisillo, Mexico to shoot doves and pigeons. We killed a LOT of coyotes on the way down and the way back up. The Sierra's made a whale of a diffence in my rifle's killing ability.
Later on in the Summer, we used the Speers up on the p.dogs. The Speer 52's was like sticking the p. dog on the end of a bottle rocket, the way they flew through the air!
Ackley,were you using the 52 gr flat base or Speers 52gr Match bullet?Last year was the first year I even shot the 52Match on paper.I wasn't too impressed with my groups,but then again,I'm not a consistent bench shooter.Speers 52 Match doesn't have as large of HP,and also has a BT.I never tried them on fur.But you may be right about the lot to lot variation.I think it was in the later part of the 80's when I read an article from Rick Jamison,that said the flat base 52gr Speer's proved to be the most deadly bullet,of any he had tried yet.And as long as we're on Speer bullets,I've down my "stray cat"test on the 50gr TNT's,out of a 221Fireball,and the cat held it.No exit.As far as Sierra bullets go,I've always been a fan of their 55gr spitz,or the 55gr Blitz.Every time I get a new .22cal.,I always shot 50gr V-max,and a Sierra 50 Blitz,as well as a Hornady 55SX.If the gun won't shoot at least one of those three bullets,the gun has to find a new home.I almost forgot,the Barnes Varmintator,would normally shoot well also.Wasn't much on killin,but would print some pretty groups.
I was shooting the 52g Speer flat base that came in a Bulk container of 1000 bullets. They sure were accurate bullets in my 223's, 22 PPC,22/250's, and 22 BR.
This is not the first instance of where diffent lot# of bullets have produced different results for guys that I have read.
Anytime you read of a bullet not exiting a coyote, you know you are dealing with a very fragile bullet. If the factory makes a thinner jacket or has less antimony in the core from lot to lot, then the bullet becomes a fly'en trash can, detonating on impact.
I used to make benchrest bullets, and from time to time, a lot # of bullet jackets would be very different. I suspect that all bullet makers run into jacket variations during the manufacturing process. Also, throw in vaiations in Core hardness and you sometimes end up with a very different bullet indeed.
I have ran into the issue of bullets being too hard in 6mm Hornady 75g HP, 22 Caliber Nosler 45g Hornets, and 270 caliber Nosler 130g ballistic tips...variations in lot# were tremendous.
At the same time I had bullet failures on the 22 caliber speer 52g, I also had bullet blow ups on the 6mm speer 75g HP at 3500 fps out of a custom 6mm Rem on shoulder blades and hip joints on yotes. I associated large hp with blow ups, which I duplicated in my own bullet making trying to get some 6mm bullets that would not go through a yote. I figured out the right size of hp with the J4 jackets of that time, but it took some trial and error. I shot the large HP on jackrabbits, chucks, ground squirrels, and p. dogs...those large hp sure sent them fly'en!!!
I should not judge the performance of the 52g Speer on one lot# of bullets, obviously.
This is not the first instance of where diffent lot# of bullets have produced different results for guys that I have read.
Anytime you read of a bullet not exiting a coyote, you know you are dealing with a very fragile bullet. If the factory makes a thinner jacket or has less antimony in the core from lot to lot, then the bullet becomes a fly'en trash can, detonating on impact.
I used to make benchrest bullets, and from time to time, a lot # of bullet jackets would be very different. I suspect that all bullet makers run into jacket variations during the manufacturing process. Also, throw in vaiations in Core hardness and you sometimes end up with a very different bullet indeed.
I have ran into the issue of bullets being too hard in 6mm Hornady 75g HP, 22 Caliber Nosler 45g Hornets, and 270 caliber Nosler 130g ballistic tips...variations in lot# were tremendous.
At the same time I had bullet failures on the 22 caliber speer 52g, I also had bullet blow ups on the 6mm speer 75g HP at 3500 fps out of a custom 6mm Rem on shoulder blades and hip joints on yotes. I associated large hp with blow ups, which I duplicated in my own bullet making trying to get some 6mm bullets that would not go through a yote. I figured out the right size of hp with the J4 jackets of that time, but it took some trial and error. I shot the large HP on jackrabbits, chucks, ground squirrels, and p. dogs...those large hp sure sent them fly'en!!!
I should not judge the performance of the 52g Speer on one lot# of bullets, obviously.
coyote control
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I used to make benchrest bullets, and from time to time, a lot # of bullet jackets would be very different. I suspect that all bullet makers run into jacket variations during the manufacturing process. Also, throw in varations in Core hardness and you sometimes end up with a very different bullet indeed.
Well put.
I used to make benchrest bullets, and from time to time, a lot # of bullet jackets would be very different. I suspect that all bullet makers run into jacket variations during the manufacturing process. Also, throw in varations in Core hardness and you sometimes end up with a very different bullet indeed.
Well put.
The old timer that first got me set up reloading,always told me to watch the lot#'s on everything(powder, primers,cases,and bullets).That was 25+,years ago,and I remember thinking that was somewhat,overkill.Since the birth of the internet,my way of thinking on a lot of things have changed,or confirmed.He might not have been the eccentric old man I thought he was,after all.