Suppressor questions

foxrunner

foxrunner

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Ok I decided I want to suppress my.223 Savage Model 10 Precision.
It's already threaded from the factory (1/2-28)
I'm going to start the process shortly, in the meantime can anyone recommend a solid suppressor that wont break the bank?
Another question: When I go through the initial paperwork and get a suppressor, do I have to do it all again if I decide to buy another suppressor?
Looking at the YHM Phantom M2.
 
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Don't go cheap, you'll probably have this suppressor (and others
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That being said, I'd go with a .30 cal can too, just more flexible on what you can use it on. Once you suppress, you'll want everything suppressed.
RB9
 
Rb9
Can you elaborate?
Will it quiet factory ammo and handloads?
Or are guys getting the low decibels by shooting sub sonic ammo?
 
My HTG Aris is quiet enough that I need no hearing protection of any kind when using it. Even when I am shooting full power loads out of my 22-250 or my .220 Swift. Pretty neat. Really neat even.

The first one that I heard I asked the shooter if he was using subsonic ammo. He was not. I knew then that was the can that I wanted to buy. Not as big around as a Coke can and hardly any longer I was surprised at the sound reduction I got with it.

I guess that it really hit home the first time that I used it on a prairie dog hunt. Instead of diving into their holes after a few shots the critters just stood on their mounds (not for long!) and stared at us. As if they were going "don't know what those guys are doing but it aint bothering me none so I am going to stand right were I am at".

I kept putting off buying one year after year but after I finally got one now I am so spoiled that I don't want to shoot any centerfire rifle without one. I have seven of my varmint rifles threaded for the can now. My two CZ 257 Americans have barrels too skinny for threading or else they would be too.
 
I did as others have suggested and bought a .308 suppressor (from AAC) for use on my .308 and .223. It absolutely works with regular ammunition, so much so that shooting without hearing protection is not uncomfortable even with a .308. I also have one for my .22 LR. I bought both at the same time and had to do paperwork( and pay the fee) on each suppressor. It was not inexpensive but was very much worth the money spent. You won't be disappointed going suppressed.
 
You will find it difficult to supress the 223 to "hearing safe" levels. I also would recommend the 30 cal can in Titanium to meet your needs. A little pricey at first but a better option.

Hearing safe is defined by OSHA as repetitive noise above 88 decibles (I think I remember that right) where suppressed stuff is 120-130 db. Earplugs and the 223 still are required.

You will find that subsonic is best achieved with a heavy bullet and a low powder charge. 223 is hard to meet that requirement.
 
For subsonic loads in .223. I use 55 gr. SP's and 3.0 gr. of TiteGroup. This and a couple other powders are listed in Hodgdon data.

This load is very accurate, very quiet even w/o the can. I also use this load to get youngsters and newbies acquainted with the operation of a AR-15. It won't cycle the action at all, but enables them to get comfortable pulling the charge handle, learning sight alignment, and trigger discipline. Using pulled bullets can make this pretty inexpensive to train up some new shooters. Too many start out shooting AR's doing mag dumps instead of learning to shoot for reals.
 
Originally Posted By: foxrunnerOk I decided I want to suppress my.223 Savage Model 10 Precision.
It's already threaded from the factory (1/2-28)
I'm going to start the process shortly, in the meantime can anyone recommend a solid suppressor that wont break the bank?
Another question: When I go through the initial paperwork and get a suppressor, do I have to do it all again if I decide to buy another suppressor?
Looking at the YHM Phantom M2.

The suggestions you are getting are reasonable, i.e., to get a .30 cal can for multiple caliber use, to buy once cry once, etc.

Yes you have to do the paperwork and pay the $200 tax on each silencer.

The only technical exception to your paperwork question would be if you were referring to setting up a trust. That you do once, but you still do a Form 4 and $200 tax for each silencer you buy.

Skinney on this forum has very broad and deep knowledge of silencer brands and models. I suggest you ping him with a PM. Most, not all, of the rest of the people on here have limited experience with multiple brands. I own several and have shot many different brands at the SHOT Shows over the years, so I do have a relatively informed opinion. That said I'd still get skinney's opinion.

This year at SHOT there were more silencers introduced than any other time in my memory, particularly in .30 cal. Silencerco makes good stuff and their new titanium Omega .30 is being released this year. They are advertising it as the lightest, quietest, shortest .30 cal can available.

Thunderbeast Arms has new models that are lighter and quieter than previous models (which were light and quiet). TBAC makes good stuff too. They started out as long range precision guys and their cans are known for excellent accuracy.

Sig Sauer grabbed a couple of key guys from AAC this past year and are entering the silencer market in a big way (they got the founder of AAC Kevin Brittingham, and another key sales guy John Hollister). Though unproven in the field, Sig's silencers should be consistent with Sig's pistols given their manufacturing expertise and the collective knowledge they just picked up. Sig's silencers are reasonably priced in the middle market.

Dead Air Armament is new, but it's founder Mike Pappas was a founder of Silencerco. DAA silencers sounded great at the range at SHOT this year, and they have a very smart QD design. It locks up tight and only goes on one way.

Frankly you can't swing a dead cat these days without hitting a good option for a silencer.

Life is good.

Sendit
 
I bought the Silencerco Harvester and have seen a lot of good reviews on it. I picked it up here for $520. I am no expert since this is my first but I believe I will be happy with it.
 
Just got my Thunderbeast yesturday, I've been waiting since June. It's a 30 cal can for my 243 and 260. Let me just say awesome!!!!!! I've been shooting all day
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I have received two suppressors over the past two months. It is my opinion that either of these cans are absolutely hearing safe with OUT any ear plugs or hearing protection.
Both my cans are 30 caliber with, my OSS is awesome and when I want to change to 30 caliber it's easy.

My saker (silencerco) is a 30 cal (7.62) but I have a 556 end cap. With the 556 end cap it is actually quieter than the 556 saker suppressor. All I have to do to put it on a 30 cal gun is change the end cap. The trifecta mount is awesome as well. A quick turn of the hand has the can off and onto another gun. The saker is good clear upto and including a 300 win mag. Pretty good.
I'm going to suggest you call the fellers over at the silencer shop they are great, they'll walk you through all the steps. They send you email updates on the progress on when you can expect your can throughout the entire process.The saker is on sale right now and worth every penny.
I'm doing some extensive comparisons right now between my OSS and saker. They are both very good
 
Fox runner,
A .30 cal can will quiet anything .30 cal or smaller. Factory ammo, handloads , whatever. To my ear, it will make supersonic ammo pleasant to shoot without hearing protection. If you want "Hollywood" quiet you'll need sub-sonic ammo. Hope this answers your questions, if not member "Skinney" is a reliable authority on suppressors. He gave me some really good advice when I was in your shoes.....
RB9
 
For those of you who put a can on after shooting it without a can,, did you appreciate any difference in the recoil?
 
IOriginally Posted By: B585For those of you who put a can on after shooting it without a can,, did you appreciate any difference in the recoil?




I had just recently sent my 243 to the smith to recontour the barell, put in a lighter stock, and cut the barell from 24" to 20". When I got it back and took it shooting, It shot great ,but was beating the piss out of me. Then the following day my suppressor showed up. It literally cut the recoil in half. It now has just a little more recoil than my 17Rem. You can watch hits through the scope no Problem.
 
Originally Posted By: B585For those of you who put a can on after shooting it without a can,, did you appreciate any difference in the recoil?

Yes. They are an effective muzzle break as well. Go 30 cal on your can. Yes, you will want them all suppressed!
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Thanks for the responses. I have no experience with them and love being able to stay on target with my current setup but the constant ringing in my left ear has been making me lean towards a suppressor. Glad to hear (pun intended) that I will still be a will to stay on target after the shot with a can.
 


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