T/C Icon - anyone seen it yet?

I have a little Birdy at TC. She told me about the new rifle befor it was written about. Never got a date of when they will be available to dealers. She said the 30TC shoots sweet too, and the wood of the first batch will be extreamly beautiful.

I'm waiting for a real short action.
 
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Looks like a nice gun...anyone know when they'll be available in stores?



Ya, on the cover of Guns & Ammo /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Yeah, I read the article in Guns & Ammo and it appears that it's going to be a really nice rifle. Based on the pictures and discussion of the bedding, etc., it looks like an upgraded A-Bolt to me.
 
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Based on the pictures and discussion of the bedding, etc

All that fancy wood and bedding still couldn't make it shoot decent. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif Looks like another overpriced, underperforming rifle.
 
A under performing rifle??? Considering they have not shipped any rifles yet what are you basing that statement on??

Over priced as you have stated. Lets see, An adjustable trigger that is adjustable from the top of the reciever. No need to take the action out of the stock. A alumiunum bedding block under the action. Intregal Weaver scope bases on the action. A field strippable bolt that you can opt to change bolt handles and firing pin. A removable magizine for 3 or 10 round magizines. Once in production barrels with 5R rifling which mimmics Obermeyer barrels.Custom Select grade walnut stock.

T/C Icon street price..under $800.00 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Kimber street price average $980.00 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Retail price compared to Browning,Remington etc likely to be $150.00 higher. You can't buy the custom grade wood stock upgrade for that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Looks like another overpriced, underperforming rifle.



BTW, I'm curious - what are some other overpriced, underperforming rifles. I'd like to know so I can avoid them.
 
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Considering they have not shipped any rifles yet what are you basing that statement on??


I've read two reviews in gun magazines. Guns and Ammo had a lengthy writeup (as well as a full page advertisement a few pages later) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif They fired 3-shot groups at 100 yards with several types of ammo. Only one or two averaged under one inch and they were match bullets not hunting bullets. Some of the other hunting bullets went over 2 inches for 3 shot groups. That's not very impressive for 3 shots.

After all the hype about the aluminum bedding block, adjustable trigger, and special barrel, you'd think the rifle would perform better. There are plenty of rifles that perform a lot better than that without the fancy accessories or fancy wood (the wood is a limited run, not standard)
 
And by performance, I mean accuracy. 2 inches at 100 yards for 3-shots is a joke for a modern rifle, especially one with all the fancy accessories like the bedding block, adjustable trigger, and special barrel. It still doesn't shoot decent groups.
 
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And by performance, I mean accuracy. 2 inches at 100 yards for 3-shots is a joke for a modern rifle, especially one with all the fancy accessories like the bedding block, adjustable trigger, and special barrel. It still doesn't shoot decent groups.



I certainly agree with that. Heck, most of us would consider that a "bad" rifle regardless of the mfr. or cost.
 
I have some large game rifles that will shoot like that with 1 load but fall right in line when you work up a load that it likes.

I only read the Guns and Ammo review on it. Actualy its in front of me right now.(Cause I'm like that)

Page 62 lists ammo tested and results. 4 ammo types at 100 yards on sandbags. Test rifle .308 Win.
--------------------------------------- -----Groups-----
AMMO------------WHT-------SMALLEST-----LARGEST---AVERAGE
Black Hills Match---168--------0.58 --------1.15------0.80
Hornady TAP---------155--------0.58 --------1.64------1.10
Winchester P.P.-----150--------1.01 --------1.88------1.46
Remington C.L.------150--------1.44 --------1.65------1.51

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gifI may be missing something but I dont even see the largest groups over 2 or 3 inches. Granted I dont think the groups from the Win, and Rem ammo were anything to write home about. But we know that ammo is spotty at best. Looking at the first 2 I think that is just outstanding for factory ammo.

To me it looks like a beautiful, well built rifle. I will by one in the .30TC to try it. I have a need for a snotty 30cal sporter rifle and dont want to get caught up in the Short Mag craze.
 
I think T/C is trying to get around this WSM litigation thing with the 30 T/C. I would like to wee a 25 TC or a 6.5TC. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
They said different action sizes would be available in the future. It would be a wise business decision to introduce a new "TC" cartradge each time they come out with a new action size.....

Imagine a .17TC... something different. Not all hyped up on speed. Like a .17AH or .17AB. Wow thats a perfect idea for a factory round. We already got a .17 Rem and now a .17 Fireball. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I hope someone from a major rifle manufacturer is reading these carefully! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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I have some large game rifles that will shoot like that with 1 load but fall right in line when you work up a load that it likes.

I only read the Guns and Ammo review on it. Actualy its in front of me right now.(Cause I'm like that)

Page 62 lists ammo tested and results. 4 ammo types at 100 yards on sandbags. Test rifle .308 Win.
--------------------------------------- -----Groups-----
AMMO------------WHT-------SMALLEST-----LARGEST---AVERAGE
Black Hills Match---168--------0.58 --------1.15------0.80
Hornady TAP---------155--------0.58 --------1.64------1.10
Winchester P.P.-----150--------1.01 --------1.88------1.46
Remington C.L.------150--------1.44 --------1.65------1.51

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gifI may be missing something but I dont even see the largest groups over 2 or 3 inches. Granted I dont think the groups from the Win, and Rem ammo were anything to write home about. But we know that ammo is spotty at best. Looking at the first 2 I think that is just outstanding for factory ammo.

To me it looks like a beautiful, well built rifle. I will by one in the .30TC to try it. I have a need for a snotty 30cal sporter rifle and dont want to get caught up in the Short Mag craze.



I'll not draw any conclusions on said rifle til I play with one personally. However, magazine articles have a way of makin' stuff look better than it is. That rifle is meant for hunting, plain and simple. They just threw in the other batches of match grade ammo to make it look better. The reality of it is, it is a 1.5" rifle with factory huntin' loads (if the tests are true), the ones most people will actually be shootin' out of it.........2MG
 
You can have the most accurate rifle in the world, and if you feed it the wrong ammo it still won't group, every rifle is different and finding what works in your particular rifle is part of the owner's responsibility.

My very accurate Remington Mod 700 Varmint Special groups consistently under 1", and with the right load it shoots groups around 1/2", I was experimenting a while back and tried a load, it didn't group, it patterned like a shotgun! That was the first time I tried a load in that rifle that put 5 shots at 100 yards into about 12"! This wasn't an untried bullet in that rifle, but that particular combination of bullet and powder, that rifle really didn't like!
 
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I think T/C is trying to get around this WSM litigation thing with the 30 T/C.



What litigation thing?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
I don't want to start another 'FLAME" here. Rick Jamison formally of "Shooting Times" magazine collected about 3% royalty(speculation) from Winchester /Browning for every WSM they made. Win & Browning SETTLED out of court for a un-disclosed sum.

Rick had a patent from the US patent office for the design of the short fat case. There is much debate whether he should have been issued one, regardless he did have a patent. He tried to work things out with Winchester and they snubbed him and he went after them and WON.

Savage,Kimber,Remington have elected to pay the royalty to Rick Jamison. Ruger has dropped the WSM calibers for this
reason.

The next legal issue is someone had a copyright to the short fat case 18 years before Rick Jamison was issued
his Patent. If this copyright Vs Patent issue goes to court
it will be interesting. WHO WAS FIRST???

Because of this the manufacturer trend will be to introduce
a "priority" line of manufacturer named cartridges to avoid
WSM/WSSM hype and to avoid potential legal issues. It will
direct marketing dollars away from WSM/WSSM to the new cartridges. The manufacturers will hope that we forget about
the WSM/WSSM and buy the new stuff. Remember Ruger,TC and Marlin don't make WSM or WSSM.

We have seen this in already such as 204 ruger, 375 ruger,
30TC, 30 Marlin, 338 federal. I expect more will come.
 
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