The old ones were trash. The new ones are still junk. I can't believe anyone would purchase them over a smith and wesson, dan wesson, ruger or any other american made gun. I don't care who wants to run their mouth, in my opinion they aren't half the quality of a smith. It is not too hard to build a gun cheaper when you have sweat shop labor for a few bucks a day. Our American companies, our neighbors and allies, make a quality product for not much more money and some people choose a south american clone??? I know all about the arguement about how they give to the NRA and how competition makes for a better product. Whatever you have to do to justify it. Taurus owners probably don't pay their NRA dues, drive foreign cars, and voted Obama! It's all the same to me.