The New Remington's

Sgt_Mike

Sgt_Mike

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I've looked over the offerings that the new Remington arms in LaGrange Ga. has.
I was in hopes that they had brought back the 700CP series, Nope, oh well give them time maybe they will. (I knew I should have snatched one prior to Co-vid, still kicking my tail over that)
Not that I need to add another gun to the stable, I like many I am pretty much "gun poor".
So I dug through the 700's and 783's offerings, there was several that I considered. Most I sat here wondering WTF on the twist rates, caliber offering, etc. But doesn't mean they will or won't shoot to my liking or not be a viable addition .

The youtube reviews are a mixed bag, some quite positive others not so much for the new production. Like many I fully expected them to hit the LGS shelves in forced, Sadly around here that is not the case. Which means pretty much no fondling to nit pick before purchasing, not a fan of pre-ordering something I haven't been able to handle.

The question is: the "new" Remington's how many have gotten one and their views / experience versus the older Remington prior to the doors closing in NY in the 700 /783 family.
 
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You maybe correct @cropdamage

The stigma of the previous ownership may have doomed them.
There is a hidden reason for me asking this question, that I won't delve into. Rather that many just post their thoughts.
Thank You so much for your input.
 
I lived and breathed Rem 700s in my youth. I've had many and still have my first ever brand new deer rifle. It's a R700 ADL walnut blued 243 win. Growing up in the bigger is better minute of pie plate rifle era,I proved a lot of people wrong with that gun !

Have a few semi customs built on 700s in the safe. Have since moved on to custom actions and everything else that goes along with dreaded problem of nice things.

That being said ,I don't see myself buying anything new with RemArms on it.
 
The only new Remington that I have had my hands on is the new Fieldmaster 870 shotgun. It was a pretty slick new gun. A significant improvement over the old Express guns. Not as nice as a Wingmaster, but not bad for a new pump-action shotgun for hunting.
 
One of the larger gun shops in Tulsa is pretty tight with Remington. They seem to get the new stuff in before other stores. I've looked at a few of the newer models when they come in and seem pretty decent. But..I've not shot one or seen many at the club. What I am noticing is the prices. But not only Remington but many of the major brands just keep going up. But here again.....it seems so does the quality. This pertaining to the upper end Remington, Savage, Tikka, not the budget models, but they aren't really "budget" anymore either. Sorry but I'm not a Bergara fan. To me they are just an expensive CVA. Don't hate me for saying that, its just my opinion. When I think of Remington though I think of the older models that were real Remington's. Those usually get my attention. I'd much rather spend X$$ on an older model than X$$ on a new one any day.
 
@William Suter
Hold up your in OK? near Tulsa.... man not far from me in one aspect, I'm just slightly north west of Little Rock along I-40.

Like many have said I like Remington's and do prefer the older ones as well as many have pointed out.
Bergara hmmm a decent clone, not a huge fan. They do have some offerings' that I do like.
@DoubleLungRage I've noticed the exact same shift brand shift with some folks.

@GC and @cropdamage ya'll have put some very good points of the table the same ones that I felt as well.
 
I hate what Remington has become. Memories of my youth was going in just about any sporting goods store and seeing Remington 700s lining the shelves. I still own and shoot Remington 700s as I like how they fit me. I don't see me buying another one unless it's a deal too good to pass up. Also, the market is flooded with 700s clones and custom clones. I don't think Remington will survive as the market has moved on.
 
My first R700 was an ADL in 25-06. Bought it in Houston Tx in 1974. Killed my first half dozen deer with it. Still have it and 8-10 other 700s, most with custom barrels. I think they’re great hunting rifles and hope Remarms stays afloat.
 
Yeah agree with @DoubleLungRage, many will blame the lawsuits for the demise.

The actual truth it's the last owners of the product line (Cerberus Capital management in 2007 latter renamed Freedom Group, then renamed again Remington Outdoor Company).
Always in the past the owning group protected the company by not placing the company assets directly in the debt line using a name that transferred the debts.
Later in the ownership when Cerberus did the shift to the Remington Outdoor Company they didn't protect the Arms, Munitions aspect but put those assets on the debt line.
That put Remington Arms, Bushmaster, Marlin, DPMS, H&R, Dakota Arms, Storm Lake Barrels, Barnes, AAC, Tapco and all the assets including the ammunition plant open to the debt in lieu of spreading the debt. That was done to basically rob the retirement plans. Because Remington Outdoor couldn't service the debt deficit hence the bankruptcy causing the whole to fault on the loan in 2018. Where as the main group of Cerberus Capital would have absorbed the deft without a hiccup. I suspect that Cerberus target was to get control of the retirement plans as profit for their board. I maybe wrong, but it did happen.

Hopefully RemArms today (owned by Roundhill Group LLC) doesn't repeat the Cerberus Capital Management ownership model.
If one plays close attention it was shortly after the 2007 acquisition of Remington is when it really started the slippery slide with quality from earlier times. Increasing a bit by each year of ownership. That wasn't just Remington Arms brand it was across the board of the Remington Outdoor Company brands.

FYI of one of the responsible persons for Remington's demise as well as many others. Remington wasn't the first nor last to suffer such a fate. They (Cerberus Capital Management) in my opinion have a long and repeated history as a Company killer to yield a profit, not restricted to just firearms industry.

Steve Feinberg - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

sometimes the truth hurts
 


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