Thought's on Shooter's Choice Copper Remover!

Grunter

Grunter

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After a comment regarding copper fouling that J. Roberts posted a couple days ago, I bought some S Choice. I took out a couple guns that I had previously "cleaned well" and ran some down the barrel. The new Savage I bought and cleaned after shooting came up "Green Apple" for several patches and took at least a dozen more to come up clean. My previously "cleaned" A-bolt was just "Heaping" with copper fouling and took almost 20 patches to start looking O.K. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

My previous cleaning was using Hoppe's copper terminator. I thought I was doing a decent and thorough cleaning. Man, was I ever wrong!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

As for now Im finishing up with a sat. patch with Break-Free CLP and a couple dry's. Anyone have thoughts on "after-copper remover" treatment? I thought I read somewhere that some cleaners and solvents are not COPA together. What other combo's are a no-no? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

Thanks, Dave
 
Shooters Choice addresses that on the label, don't they?

I thought that it did a much better job than the Hoppes Copper remover too.

To neutralize, I usually run a swab or two soaked with alcohol down the tube, followed by a dry patch, then some Kroil or CLP.
 
I've used both the Hoppes Copper Remover and the Shooter's Choice and to tell the truth the Foam Bore Cleaner I purchased at Walmart for $6.88 did a better and faster job than any copper solvent I've ever used.

Oh, yes, the foam is even better than the Butch's Bore Shine that I haven't used since I bought it.
 
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Grunter,
Try the Wipe-Out product for removing copper fouling. It works! I used Shooter's Choice, Hoppes, and others, and thought I would try the Wipe Out. I was suprised as to how much copper remained after using the others.

You put it in, let it set overnight and run a patch down the barrel. Keep repeating until the patch is clear, might take a couple of applications. Then run a slightly oiled patch down the barrel and you are done.

Tim
 
There's a few companies marketing the same foaming bore cleaner. Gunslick and Wipe Out are two of them. If I've got a fair amount of copper fouling I'll leave the foaming cleaner in for a few hours. Afterwards, pushing a patch through yields what looks like blueberry jelly coming out the muzzle.
 
I used to use the shooters choice. Sweets is better. CR-10 is better than Sweets. Lately I just use the wipeout and let it sit longer if I have to.......
 
I was looking for Sweets or M. extreme but Gander only has the S.C. in stock. I just never realized how much crap I was leaving in the bore. Next trip past Cabela's I'll grab up some of the good stuff! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Thanks for tips guys,


Dave
 
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Grunter,
Try the Wipe-Out product for removing copper fouling. It works! I used Shooter's Choice, Hoppes, and others, and thought I would try the Wipe Out. I was suprised as to how much copper remained after using the others.

You put it in, let it set overnight and run a patch down the barrel. Keep repeating until the patch is clear, might take a couple of applications. Then run a slightly oiled patch down the barrel and you are done.

Tim



+1 on Wipe Out, works great and simple!
 
Don't waste your money on Hoppes or Shooters Choice for a copper remover...

Sweets is much more aggressive and works very fast. I'm done in 10-15 minutes and my rifle sits overnight with a clean oiled barrel instead of solvent.

I don't like leaving any type of solvent in my barrel more than 5-10 minutes. Leaving solvent in your barrel much longer is just going to have gravity pool it on the downhill side.
 
Sweets is the strongest commercial copper remover on the market IMHO. A older than me told me his secret to copper removal, was to treat it first, then go after the other fowling. He used his own mix, 2 parts 10% ammonia, 1 part sudsy ammonia, and 1 part Ivory liquid dish washer soap. The soap lubricates the barrel. Follow up with what ever solvent you use. Also use nylon brushes for copper. I have also found that certain guns in my safe collect copper faster than others, shooting the same relative rounds.
Jim
 
Try this one, I used to use sweets but after Montana Extreme got more copper fouling out the bore what was thought to be a clean as a whistle barrel.

As far as I'm concern, if you want an extreme clean bore use Montana Extreme
 
Wipe-out is by far the BEST and EASIEST. Fill it and walk away. Come back tomorrow and patch it out. Use the accelerator if you can't stand to wait 24hrs.

Montana Extreme 50BMG is as strong as sweets, but can be left in for any time period without etching the steel,..which sweets WILL do if allowed to dry in the barrel. I will stick with 50BMG and wipe-out once the remaining sweets is used up. I really only use it in factory or rough barrels because I don't want too much sweets near my match barrels.

try taking a whiff of sweets,..then a whiff of 50BMG. The 50BMG has a much stronger ammonia aroma. If you aren't carefull with the 50BMG, you'll wake up on the floor a few minutes later.
 
I use Montana Extreme Copper Cream, and as a tribute to
it's effectiveness, Mike(Dtech) bore scoped a 16" Model 1
barrel, of mine, he had in the shop for some upper upgrades,
and commented on how rough the barrel was. He also noted
how little copper there was in the bore. That is thanks
to Montana Extreme. I do like the Montana Extreme product
because it is effective, and easier on the bore. If I
had a really fouled rifle bore, I would use Wipe Out until
it was clean, and then put the rifle on a regular cleaning
regiment, which included Montana Extreme Cream. I never
clean a bore, without brushing with Copper Cream, and
following up with some wet patches of Hoppes #9, and
dry patch to clean. I have not had to resort to Wipe Out,
once the rifle gets on my cleaning regiment.

Squeeze
 
"I have not had to resort to Wipe Out,
once the rifle gets on my cleaning regiment."

I don't consider the foaming bore cleaners resorting to anything but time saving. It is very easy to squirt in the chamber and let sit for 20-30 minutes. After that a couple of clean dry patches wipes it out. No mess, no smells. Oil and lock in the gun safe. Shoot, I've cleaned 4 guns together in the time it used to take me to clean 1 before. This is the first time that being lazy and getting good results go hand in hand.
 
I like to use Outers/Gunslick foaming bore cleaner for those "touch up" cleans just before the big hunting trip or before opening day. Why? Because it's fast and easy. It will only take me 4-5 shots to bring back into accuracy....and it removes copper fairly well....and saves the worked-up ammo for the hunt.

As for copper removal I've used the Hoppes Bench Rest with decent results. But then again I'm talking about rifles I've owned since new that have been well maintained. If I purchased a used rifle I'd probably like to know what really works best as it's common to buy a rifle that has been under-cleaned.
 
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Montana Extreme 50BMG is as strong as sweets, but can be left in for any time period without etching the steel,..which sweets WILL do if allowed to dry in the barrel. I will stick with 50BMG and wipe-out once the remaining sweets is used up. I really only use it in factory or rough barrels because I don't want too much sweets near my match barrels.

try taking a whiff of sweets,..then a whiff of 50BMG. The 50BMG has a much stronger ammonia aroma. If you aren't carefull with the 50BMG, you'll wake up on the floor a few minutes later.



That should be telling you something...

What do you think is in Sweets that will etch a barrel that isn't in Montana Extreme? I recently did a overnight corrosion test with several solvents, one of which was Sweets. There was no indication of any corrosive action or etching of any kind with Sweets or the other products. All of my bench rest buddies also use Sweets with great results.
 
what it tells you, is that the Montana Extreme product is somehow?? combined with oils, that allow it to be left in the bore, while sweets needs to be removed in short order. I met the owner of the co. back at the IBS natl's in 02, and he had a section of match SS barrel in a jar. The peice was 1/2 submerged, and 1/2 exposed. The montana extreme had not etched that peice of metal at all!!
 


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