Too many greyhounds

N

NeverStopTrying

Member
Tough weekend of scouting. Been trying to find some private lands to hunt on and seems like every where I go I see trucks with greyhounds in them or the landowner tells me I can hunt his place but the greyhounds keep it pretty cleaned out. I didn't realize it was so popular in Oklahoma.
 
Tell me about it. I don't know just how bad it is where you are but it's ridiculous here. You can't hardly drive down the road without seeing where they've went off the road and those tire marks lead right through the fields. They don't just go where they have permission. They'll tell you they do but I know better. If there's a fence there they'll cut it or drive through it. Don't make them a bit of difference.

I'm seeing fewer and fewer coyotes around. And it ain't mange that's gettin 'em.
 
Last edited:
Up here it's flat terrain. They drive through the fields until a coyote jumps up. There's always more than one truck,3 or 4 normally. One will drive through the field and chase the coyote to the other end of the field where another truck is waiting. They run the coyote until it's tired. Then they turn the dogs loose so they can kill it. They throw the coyote in the ditch and move to the next field.

I don't know how they do it in other parts of the State. They probably can't do it that way where there's more trees and stuff. I'd imagine more get away where there's thicker,harsher terrain.

Can't call one in at night and shine a light on it and shoot it in Oklahoma but you can do that. Which totally makes sense.....lol
 
Last edited:
It's a tough deal with multiple user groups, especially those that take advantage or cheat.
Hounds were stopped here, can't even take a dog with you coyote hunting. Also stopped leg hold trapping.
Lots of complaining, no one wants to be part of a user group that loses freedom.
Since that time cougars and bears have expanded tremendously. Not sure of the impact on coyotes but there is no shortage.
With more hunting opportunities like I had never seen before the ban I don't miss them.
 
Quote:Up here it's flat terrain. They drive through the fields until a coyote jumps up. There's always more than one truck,3 or 4 normally. One will drive through the field and chase the coyote to the other end of the field where another truck is waiting. They run the coyote until it's tired. Then they turn the dogs loose so they can kill it. They throw the coyote in the ditch and move to the next field.
You obviously have never been with any guys using grey hounds. They DON'T "run the coyote until it's tired", and the grey hounds DON'T normally kill the coyote.
You really shouldn't speak of which you don't know.

Quote:Do the greyhounds kill the coyote or do the "hunters" shoot them in front of the dogs?
No the grey hounds don't kill the coyote and No the hunters don't shoot them in front of the dogs. Usually the owner will find the fight and step in and put a bullet to the head of the coyote. No need to let the fight go any longer then necessary and risk injury to the dogs.

Quote: They don't just go where they have permission. They'll tell you they do but I know better. If there's a fence there they'll cut it or drive through it. Don't make them a bit of difference.
There may be some bad apples in the bunch but not ALL grey hunters trespass or cut fences. My family members that still hunt with grey hounds are farmers and they know dang well who owns what and where they can and can't go, and they sure as hades don't cut fences.

But I suppose since the way they hunt isn't the way you hunt you prefer to paint them all with the same broad brush. Maybe you can start a petition to end the way they hunt, and then maybe they'll start one too to end the way you hunt. Seems to be the way of the world these days.
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: songdog Quote:Up here it's flat terrain. They drive through the fields until a coyote jumps up. There's always more than one truck,3 or 4 normally. One will drive through the field and chase the coyote to the other end of the field where another truck is waiting. They run the coyote until it's tired. Then they turn the dogs loose so they can kill it. They throw the coyote in the ditch and move to the next field.
You obviously have never been with any guys using grey hounds. They DON'T "run the coyote until it's tired", and the grey hounds DON'T normally kill the coyote.
You really shouldn't speak of which you don't know.

Quote:Do the greyhounds kill the coyote or do the "hunters" shoot them in front of the dogs?
No the grey hounds don't kill the coyote and No the hunters don't shoot them in front of the dogs. Usually the owner will find the fight and step in and put a bullet to the head of the coyote. No need to let the fight go any longer then necessary and risk injury to the dogs.

Quote: They don't just go where they have permission. They'll tell you they do but I know better. If there's a fence there they'll cut it or drive through it. Don't make them a bit of difference.
There may be some bad apples in the bunch but not ALL grey hunters trespass or cut fences. My family members that still hunt with grey hounds are farmers and they know dang well who owns what and where they can and can't go, and they sure as hades don't cut fences.

But I suppose since the way they hunt isn't the way you hunt you prefer to paint them all with the same broad brush. Maybe you can start a petition to end the way they hunt, and then maybe they'll start one too to end the way you hunt. Seems to be the way of the world these days.

Here that's exactly how they do it. I've seen it,I know guys that do it. As for what your family does....Don't care. That's on them. I don't have to deal with them that's all I care about. I've had my fill with greyhound hunters.

I also don't care how many good ones you know. I don't know any. If I didn't know what i was talking about I wouldn't be talking. I don't get on here to just talk out of my [beeep] about things I haven't seen for myself.

As far as me signing anything in favor of banning any kind of hunting goes,that ain't gonna happen. In this case I won't have to. The bad apples will get it done single handedly. The next time I find a pile of chewed up coyotes in the ditch I'll stop and take a picture of them to show you if you'd like. I'll let everyone take a look since I'm such a liar.
 
Last edited:
so tell me what guys that call coyotes do with the coyotes they kill, when the coyote has no value?

Do you suppose some of them leave em lay too? What do you do with yours? Hang em on a fence proudly?

I'll bet a dollar the grey hound hunters get as close as they can as quick as they can before releasing the dogs. That's how it's done. The longer you run em with the truck the more probably that the coyote will elude you or you do damage to the truck. Grey hounds are much faster then a coyote, all a guy has to do is get close enough to give the dogs a good chance of the catch, the coyote don't need to be tired to catch them. Stupid to chase them any more than you need to.

Tell me again, you think the dogs kill them? Tells me you don't no as much as you think you do.
 
Originally Posted By: songdogso tell me what guys that call coyotes do with the coyotes they kill, when the coyote has no value?

Do you suppose some of them leave em lay too? What do you do with yours? Hang em on a fence proudly?

I'll bet a dollar the grey hound hunters get as close as they can as quick as they can before releasing the dogs. That's how it's done. The longer you run em with the truck the more probably that the coyote will elude you or you do damage to the truck. Grey hounds are much faster then a coyote, all a guy has to do is get close enough to give the dogs a good chance of the catch, the coyote don't need to be tired to catch them. Stupid to chase them any more than you need to.

Tell me again, you think the dogs kill them? Tells me you don't no as much as you think you do.
Well they do chase them in a truck or trucks. I've seen them do it personally with my own eyes. Those dogs do kill the coyote. They're chewed to pieces by the time they're done. To the point that if they do take them to a fur buyer they average $5 if that much for a dog killed coyote. You know what you know based off of your experience with hunting with greyhounds. And I know what i know based off of what I've seen first hand. It doesn't matter what your family does,or a guy in Texas or Eastern Oklahoma.....I'm talking about how they do it here. I don't care what people elsewhere do that's not my problem. You're not here and you don't know everything there is to know about it either obviously. Maybe they're not in it to see if their dogs can catch a coyote. Maybe they'd rather just see the kill happen. Who knows but that's exactly what they do. They run the coyote with trucks and let the dogs out to kill it. There's no other way to explain it than any way than that. Whether or not they do that in Colorado I don't know. Apparently not because you say they don't. And I'm not gonna sit here and call you a liar when obviously I've never seen it for myself. I'm speaking from what I've seen.

I keep every coyote I shoot unless it has mange. It gets left where I shot it out of view of the public eye. Leaving coyotes scattered all over the place is trashy and it looks bad no matter who's doing it.

I really don't understand why you think I'd talk about it if I hadn't seen it for myself regardless of whether you think it doesn't happen or not. What would I gain by bad mouthing someone for being an idiot? At the end of the day they're still gonna do it regardless of what i think anyways.
 
Last edited:
Of course they chase them with their trucks. They have to get close enough to release the grey hounds giving them a decent chance to catch the coyote. But once close enough, the race is on with the dogs.

And I guess you just need to go to a catch site and see for yourself that the dogs DON'T kill the coyote. It would take far longer than most would care to wait. Even in times where we couldn't find the catch site for quite some time we never found a dead coyote. Not once. Tear him to pieces, sure enough, but kill it, NOPE.
 
Whenever I find hunters on my ground that are unapproved I will normally tell them to leave right now and to contact me before they get on the ground again at which point I normally tell them sure go ahead and hunt . However if I were to catch dog runners on my ground I would prosecute them and strongly encourage the game warden ( who is a friend that hunts on my land regularly ) to seize their vehicle(s)as is permitted in Colorado.
I put up with a bunch of trashy bastards running yotes ( and through fences , over crops , ect.. ) years ago and decided never again .
Few methods of hunting get under my skin but dammit this does.
 
We are covered up in dog runners also. They, do in fact let the greyhounds kill the coyote. I've never seen or heard of any of them who make a habit of shooting the coyote. I have multiple friends who do this and they all brag about their catch dogs and the kill dog.
 
It all started years ago with using hounds to chase coyotes. We use walker hounds like they did years ago. I know people that don't hunt with dogs don't like those that do. To each their own. Keep after them with your greyhounds songdog, as long as it is legal where you live. No sense arguing with these clowns they will never change their minds.
 
Originally Posted By: PeteyIt all started years ago with using hounds to chase coyotes. We use walker hounds like they did years ago. I know people that don't hunt with dogs don't like those that do. To each their own. Keep after them with your greyhounds songdog, as long as it is legal where you live. No sense arguing with these clowns they will never change their minds.

I agree, if it's legal and you wanna do it, then by all means do it. The quickest way to take away our rights is to divide us from within. I don't have hounds or care to do it, but lots of people do and that's fine. All I ask, is everyone represents the sport and takes care to do the right thing.
 
Originally Posted By: PeteyIt all started years ago with using hounds to chase coyotes. We use walker hounds like they did years ago. I know people that don't hunt with dogs don't like those that do. To each their own. Keep after them with your greyhounds songdog, as long as it is legal where you live. No sense arguing with these clowns they will never change their minds.

In my case at least you are mistaken .
I have no issue with hunting with dogs and in fact used to love to coon hunt with them . What soured me on Coyote hunters with dogs is the disregard shown for my property and stock They ran pickups through fences , cattle herds. over aluminum irrigation pipe , ect.. Not just one bunch of hunters but multiple groups for a couple of years until the local sheriff got a handle on things ( and a few pickups just flat went home shot up from local ranchers ) . My experiences rightly or wrongly colored my perception of the sport for life . At least the drunken kids chasing yotes with shotguns out the pickup window would go back and fix the fences they ran through , the dog chasers never once did .

ETA:
In fairness this all took place back in the late 70s but I have seen absolutely no reason to change my perceptions of the sport since then .
 
Last edited:
I like hounds and bird dogs,but the Hunter must have permission to trespass on all the ground the dog runs through(or stop and collect the dogs). That is a big problem when large groups form, the "hunting" gets very rodeo.
 
Originally Posted By: PeteyIt all started years ago with using hounds to chase coyotes. We use walker hounds like they did years ago. I know people that don't hunt with dogs don't like those that do. To each their own. Keep after them with your greyhounds songdog, as long as it is legal where you live. No sense arguing with these clowns they will never change their minds.

What parts of the state are you running dogs?
 
I run walker hounds on coyotes also and enjoy the hounds very much. I also call coyotes with electronic calls and hand calls and enjoy that.
There will always be people that don’t abide by the laws and make other people look bad by association in the hunting of anything.
The people that complain about others have had a bad experience with them. Like the man said it happened in the 70’s but still has a bad taste in his mouth about hound hunters. I personally don’t hold grudges and I have had people trespass on our land also over the years hunting several different game animals.
I promote and encourage any person to hunt anything he pleases in any way he pleases as long as they are considerate to others boundaries and follow all the laws and rules that are associated with it.
Some day we wont be able to hunt anything because of the few that ruin it for the majority.
It’s not “Too Many Greyhounds” it’s NOT ENOUGH HUNTERS STICKING TOGETHER TO SAVE WHAT WE ENJOY!!
 
Back
Top