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little__georges

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Hello, I´m in the middle of building a rifle to my fox hunting, I haven´t choosed cal yet but I planing to used a 6mm or maybe 6,5mm caliber, my choice is going to be made by which of them that got best Bc on the Varmint bullets /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif?

Have some one of you tried Hornady 87gr V-max on fox? (0.400 bc)?

Hope you can help /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Hello, I´m in the middle of building a rifle to my fox hunting, I haven´t choosed cal yet but I planing to used a 6mm or maybe 6,5mm caliber, my choice is going to be made by which of them that got best Bc on the Varmint bullets /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif?

Have some one of you tried Hornady 87gr V-max on fox? (0.400 bc)?

Hope you can help /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif



Any 6mm or 6.5mm is way too much gun and bullet for fox. You don't need big BC's either.

For fox sized game, a .17 or .221 FireBall will do fine, and leave you something left to skin.
 
If I don´t think it´s to much because I have to use it on Roe Deer to because of our laws in Sweden /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif! So that´s why I´m going on a 6mm or 6,5mm....

I now shoot them with 300wby
 
I have shot quite a few coyotes with my Winchester 243 and the 75 gr V-Max has been the best of the bullets I have used for not having many exit holes on coyotes. With Nosler 80 gr and with 87 gr V-max bullets I had many big exit holes on coyotes.
 
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Can you use a 222 ? great little fox load and is usually ok where you cant own NATO rounds



Of course /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif! But I don´t like it, it´s in my opinion to weak for roe deer, the problem is just that we have rules in how many guns we can own /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif!
 
I'd stick with the Weatherby, kills them, guts them, skins them and turns them inside out so their easy to put on a stretcher frame.

What folks are trying to say is most cartridges do to much fur damage on foxes. If your not saving fur then anything you like will work.

One of the best long range cartridges going is the 6.5 by 284. Lots of good really high BC bullets and that round is taking lots of long range bench rest records. Factory ammo and brass is available and folks are making some really great long range bullets. check out Hornedy and Sierra.
 
my advise is use whichever you want, use a lapua scenar on fox, and a hornady a-max or berger on deer. the lapuas shoot well but don't open unless heavy bone is contacted.
will probably still blow the "bejesus" out of fox but not like an expanding bullet will.
RR
 
IDbob the I know that they are a bite to powerful to fox but, I have to choose something that works good on both! So that´s why I´m asking and the rifle is an Remington 700 SA, isn´t the 284 to long then?

RR I think the Lapua will work well but I prefer something that will take it out even if my hit is bad! In most cases I just save the tail /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif!

Hope u undertand my dilemma!

Thanks for taking your time /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Why not try a 22-250? load barnes triple shock x bullets in it and it shouldnt blow big holes in fox yet be powerful enough for roe deer as i have seen many deer fall to a 22-250.
 
The 6.5 by 284 is built on the 284 Winchester case. This is a rebated rimmed case with a body the same diameter as the Belted magnums such as the 7mm Remington magnum with a rim diameter the same as the 308 or 30-06. It is a short case that will fit in 308 length actions. You might say it was the forerunner of the now popular "Short Magnums".

Folks whom wanted a low recoiling long range cartridge began necking this 7mm case down to 6.5mm quite a while ago for thousand yard bench rest shooting. It also makes a dandy game cartridge and has become so popular that several companies are now making brass and loaded bullets for it.

There are several varmint bullets available for the 6.5 bore and also some excellent big game bullets.

Sorry to hear your limited on the number of guns you can own. Here in the US our anti-gun folks are working overtime to try to make sure we are in the same fix as you.
 
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Why not try a 22-250? load barnes triple shock x bullets in it and it shouldnt blow big holes in fox yet be powerful enough for roe deer as i have seen many deer fall to a 22-250.



I have used a 22-250 before and I shoot some deer´s with it, but if I should have the effect I want, I hade to used Hornady´s SP 55gr bullet and the deer just became meatballs /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif!

I should think for a wild one the 6,5-284 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif! What bullets do you recommend in 6mm and 6,5mm then?

Regards Petrus
 
get the 243 or 260 rem or 6.5 swede.... and reload.

If you reload... load down in velocity for the fox loads...
with the 243 you can load 60 gr sierra's and load down in velocity.....load down to 2800 fps...or 3000 fps or 2500 fps... what ever works....
use 60% or 70% of a full load of 4895 ...... and have a less destructive load....you can safely load down to 60 % of a full load with H4895 or IMR4895.. with any bullet loads are listed for in 4895.... between 60% and 100% you should find a load....


you can load up with the 85 gr & on up bullet wts. for the roe deer..... to normal velocity..... or down to 60% using the 4895 powder.... I am sure other powders would work as well... but 4895 might be a good place tostart with reduced loads... 85 gr sierra is also a pretty good all around bullet for a 243....
good luck
R
 
lil g,

Aren't roe deer small sized, like 60-70 lbs?

I'd go .223 caliber and use a Barnes 53 or 62gr TSX for your deer, depending on barrel twist.

And 50gr Vmax loaded mild for your fox killing...
 
The Roe deer is about 30kg as max, that should be around 60-70 lbs .223 is to weak in my opinion....

ilmo does powders you mention is uknown to me, but I think is should be able to translate your powder to Norma, Vihtavuori or Rhino

I´m considering to shoot up to 108gr bullets and I don´t think that will work with as light bullets that you mention?! That´s why I asked about the 87gr V-max, is there something wrong with that bullet?? I agree with you about loading down the cartridge /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif! But as I said, I´m a newbie, I ask you to learn /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif!

Regards Petrus
 
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The Roe deer is about 30kg as max, that should be around 60-70 lbs .223 is to weak in my opinion....

Regards Petrus



60-70 pounds (30 Kilos) is the size of a medium sized dog, or large (New England) coyote - the 223 with proper bullets (i.e. - 65gr Game King) will drop them easily.


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Little georges..... you are asking about several topics in my opinion....
High bc bullets are made for shooting efficiently at long ranges.... if you are shooting at targets less than 300 yards or meters.... i don't thing you will need high bc bullets.... and some high bc bullets are made mostly for target shooting not necesarily to perform reliably on live animals.


More important is the construction of the bullets!!!!!....



VARMINT BULLETS are made with a thin copper jacket to come apart and explode..... GAME BULLETS bullets are made with a heavier copper jacket to hold together and penetrate deeper often game bulletS have a little lighter jacket in the front to allow the front of the bullet to expand and the back to hold together..... the faster a bullet is going the more it will blow up and or expand and penetrate.... so the same bullet out of a 22-250 say 3600 fps will be different than the same bullets out of a 223 say 3100 fps.....

the difference in bullets is greater than the difference in cartridges in some cases..... in 22 cal the 65 gr sierra and the 60 gr nosler partition bullet are made for shooting game animals like our american deer..... they would certainly be a great bullet for the roe deer.... they would punch all the way through with a 223 or a 22-250.... but i think would leave a wound channel and not be explosive...

all of the v-max bullets are pretty lightly constructed... to blow up.... ... for example 40 and 50 and 55 and 60 gr vmax are made to "explode".... also many hollow point bullets are lightly constructed.... usually in light weight bullets for the caliber.... (224 cal) a 55 gr or 60 gr v max would amke a big and shallow wound ...while a 60 gr nosler partition or 65 gr sierra game king would penetrate all the way through and make a smaller wound channel....

when you are asking about a rifle to use for fox and for roe deer you are talking about a couple of animals that are not very big compared to some of the critters we might shoot here in the US.... so most of us would think a 223 or a 22-250 would be more than adequate.... also the 243 loaded down.... It would appear to me to be hard to shoot a fox with a 243 without blowing it up or a roe deer for that matter if the 243 was loaded to full power and was closer than 300 yards....

in the 243 the 60 and 70 gr sierra hp or ballistic tip and the 58 and 65 and 75 v max are all lightly constructed bullets.... ie they are made with light copper jackets to expand rapidly or "blow up" the 87 gr v amx is a more lightly constructed and will blow up more than 85 or 95 gr nosler partition or the 85 sierra game king which would expand in the front and penetrate on through.... although you would not need a partiion bullet to penetrate either of your animals.....

I am not familiar with reduced loads in the powders you mentioned.... i use vihtavouri powders but not in reduced loads..... contact the vihtavouri factory by e-mail and see if they can recommend some loads if you decide on what you want....

go to sierra bullets, nosler bullets, hornday bullets websites.... and look at the different bullets construction.. for expamle sierra varminter and blitzking bullets are made to blow up.... sierra game king and pro hunter are made to mushroom(expand in the front) and then penetrate) Hornady interlok are game bullets (mushroom and penetrate).... nosler makes some ballistic tip bullets as varmint bullets to blow up and some ballitstic tip bullets as larger game bullets to expand a little and penetrate.... nosler partition bullets are made to penetrate deeply and not blow up...


I would think a 22-250 or 243 with reduced loads(2800 to 3100fps) and the proper bullets for the target intended would do everything you want..... then you would have the ablity to load a full power to shoot further and harder if you wanted or needed to.....

of course a 223 or 222 (or a 6X45 which is a 223 case necked up to 6mm)with the proper bullets would all do very well also....

HTH
ilmo
 


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