Vias Muzzle breaks, I had one installed and it kicks the same or worse

Dultimatpredator

Dultimatpredator

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Anyone else have experience with these? I had one installed on my 375 RUM with a 26" barrel and it seems to kick just as bad or worse. I emailed Vias and they told me to send it back so they could test it.
 
I think its Vais. No experience with them, but I'm curious as to the type of brake you had installed, i.e. size, shape of the holes, etc. Got any pics ?
 
I've used Vias brakes for 10 years or longer, and they do a fine job for me. I also have one JP brake, and it works, but gives horrendous muzzle blast.. the worst of any brake I've been around. A friend has a brake (made locally) that pushes the muzzle down so hard on his 7 Ultra Mag, that the stock will almost peel your ear muff off! Vias is still my top pick.
 
My.02, FWIW muzzle brakes are much more effective on small bore overbore cartridges than the big boomers. I have always felt the reason is muzzle pressure. I have always noticed slower powders worked better with a brake. Before you give up try the slowest burning powder for the bullet you're using. The heavy ones require alot of pressure to hold the gun back. I believe the same brake you're using would be more effective on a .378 Weatherby than the Ultra mag. I know a brake is nearly useless on a .416 Taylor or .458 Winchester, but helps quite a bit on a .416 and .460 WBY. They are superb on huge 300's. You have a good brake. You might also try a lighter bullet with a slow powder.
 
I have one on a lightweight custom in 300RUM and it does a good job. The rifle,mounts, and scope weigh 7 pounds and 6 ounces.
 
I have a KDF on my 300 RUM that makes it feel like a 243. I tried the Vias since it was listed as a "quiet" muzzle brake. Guess I should have stuck with what works. Its just my KDF is the loudest thing on earth!
 
Hey guys you want good tip? The Vias is still as good as ever, but they dont say Vais on them anymore. The original designer of the brake was George Vais. When he got sick several years ago he moved back to his native Greece. Before he left he sold his patent rights along with his name, for he had no intentions of ever coming back. But when his health did improve back he came and he started up shop again with his old name- and prompty got sued- and lost. SO he still makes them, better than ever in my opinion, but there is not a mark on them that says Vais. If you really want a Vais muzzle break, get one from the master himself. Many MANY benchrest shooter have George make his breaks, and I have one on my Kreiger barrel 220 Swift that he installed as well. And you cannot tell where it barrel ends and the muzzle break starts. Such old world craftsmanship it just sends shivers down my spine. Heck, he even LOOKS like a old world gunsmith. Tattered and stained apron, long droppy moustache, glasses way down on his nose and his small one man shop neet as a pin. He in a small strip center in Boise Idaho. You will have the finest installed by the guy that designed them and made them the 1st time! And need a bonus? HE CHEAP TOO! Call him! 208 3237674.
 
If your break is not doing it's job,..then I would question the gunsmith or the break not being machined properly. My 300RUM Bench Rest rifle is about the speed of a 308 with cordura bags and a mcmillan stock sliding on it. Something is worng with your break,....or you are interpreting the "blast" as recoil. They DO bark,..but recoil is not the same as expecting the "bark" and flinching.
 
I thought muzzle breaks were illegal for most BR competition? I know they are illegal for all NRA and International(ISU) competition.

Jack
 
I put them on light weight (17#) 1000 yard guns. I have used hundreds of Vias brakes and they are the best available. The rule of thumb is if its not louder than a plain barrel it DON"T work.
 
I have had 4 Vias breaks, Custom 257 Weatherby, 2-7 Mag Sendero's, and one 7 STW.

I have also dealt with the origional Vias and the new guy that bought the company.

I think that the problem that the guy is having with the 375 RUM is that it is simply goint to kick hell out of you, with and without a break, which is the real problem, not the break.

I have 7 different kinds of breaks, and truthfully, there is not very much difference in any of them. However, the gunsmiths are convinced that their particular brand of break is going to be the very best...hog wash!

To the fellow with the 375 RUM, you are going to get the crap kicked out of you one way or another with that caliber, and no muzzle break is going to take that much kick out of that gun.
 
I talked with the owner and he told me that the break that he installed could be larger in diamiter than what is needed. The owner of the company told me to send it back in for testing. There is absolutley no difference with or without it in. I have a couple of KDFs and wanted to try something new since they are soo loud, but on the other hand it turns my 300 RUMs recoil into a 243s. When it comes back from Vias if there is no imporovement its off to KDF.
 
I have a custom 7 STW and shoot the 140's at 3800 fps with a Vias muzzle break on it. It kicks like a 25/06 with the muzzle break. If I take the muzzle break off of it, the gun will knock my ear muffs crooked on my head every shot it kicks so hard.

I too have a KDF on a custom 280 AI, it is a good brake, it sure as heck is not any better than a Shrewd.

I believe that the best brake on the market is the "Answer Break" at about $200.

I believe the most sensible break on the market is the Shrewd available out of the Brownell's catalog for $45 plus installation.

I have one real expensive muzzle break that I was stupid to pay $250 for that took a lot of machine time and really works no better than the $45 Shrewd.

I'd really like to see a quiet muzzle break, or better than that, I'd like to see the owner of the company shoot his "Quiet Muzzle Break" for 25 shots. He would surely have to raise the price of his muzzle breaks to cover the cost of his new $5000 hearing aids.

When you start shooting a 375 UM, yo0 are not longer in the class of recoil of a 300 RUM at all. You have probably jumped up in bullet weight from a 180g to a 260-300g bullet.
A lot of recoil comes from the bullet weight, you just can't get around that fact.
 
all brakes make guns louder, the best I have found is the holland, works real well at reducing muzzle jump and recoil, and though loud, its not the ear piercing sharp crack of the other brakes I've used.
RR

Oh and BTW Ackley, if your running 140's out an STW at 3800, your dancing with angels.
 
Dose anyone know what thread Vias uses to see if I can itner change screw on brakes for my rifle? KDF told me they use a different type of threading compaired to the Vias so it would have to be retapped.
 
the best recoil system on the market is the answer product recoil system.had one put on my 7mm stw.recoil was like a 22-250.my nehpew loved it.he shot his first deer when he was nine.he weighed around 70 lbs at the time.
 
Back when I was in collage I took a course in marketing, the prof told us that if enough peoplr are convinced of somthing others will start believing it. We did an experament useing one of the plebs several of us convinced him that we had got some home made root beer and that it was at least 90 proof. Started with one of the brothers who was from a rural part of the country talking about his grandmas home made root beer and how if allowed to ferment long enough it got an alcohol content ( we were on a dry campus) after we got back from spring break we continued our experament. Telling the pleb we had some of this % proof Root beer we had got some on name stuff at one of the discount stores. Several of us were drinking it bragging how we could walk around with it because it looked smelled and tasted just like regular root beer. After the pleb drank about three bottles he started slurring words like the rest of us were, after a six pack he was stumbling around getting real stupid. after a case he was stumbling drunk pukeing and acting like he really had tied one on, he claimed he was hung over for the next two days to. till we told him it was just root beer no alcahol at all. Our findings were written up for the marketing class, although we only had one test subject the results tend to show that if enough people say somthing others will believe them, even to believing they have a physical reaction. BTW we took the pleb on a road trip after he was legal and really got him drunk. just to make up for the trick.Got him somthing else too but thats another story.
Juat goes to show, never believe any thing you hear and only half what you see.
 
Dultimatpredator, They do not have the same threads, the Vias has a 1-32 while the KDF is much coarser. I think that you are going to have to get used to the fact that the 375 RUM is one of the Hardest kicking guns on the planet.

A 300g Bullet at 2800 fps is putting out a lot of foot pounds on both ends.

I wish you all the luck in your quest for less recoil, it sure will be interesting to hear what your results are.
 


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